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stephen perry 1
05-12-2013, 07:38 AM
Not the one to ask but they are being used. First one I seen was the one Ferris Pindell used. My thoughts were that's what you need for making .30 cal bullets. Monster press looks like it weighs at least 75 lb., handle alone looks 10lb. and long.

But now we have George Ulrich's press and Blackmon's that Al Nyhus displayed in his bullet making shop. Like to see pictures of both these presses and others like the SAS in action. Thanks.

Stephen Perry

george ulrich
05-12-2013, 06:43 PM
Stephen, Maybe randy can post pictures I'm not real good with that sort of stuff. I do have a horizontal we made that's similar except used compound linkage the others were good for core seating but I do not care to pointup 30 cal on them the lee presses I convert I change linkage takes about 35 lbs to point up a 30 a whole lot less painful. george

ohnomrbillk
05-13-2013, 02:46 AM
Stephen, Maybe randy can post pictures I'm not real good with that sort of stuff. I do have a horizontal we made that's similar except used compound linkage the others were good for core seating but I do not care to pointup 30 cal on them the lee presses I convert I change linkage takes about 35 lbs to point up a 30 a whole lot less painful. george

http://www.nonamebullets.com/nonamebullets-images/bullet-machine.jpg
http://www.nonamebullets.com/nonamebullets-images/bullet-image-1.jpg
http://www.nonamebullets.com/nonamebullets-images/bullet-image2.jpg
http://www.nonamebullets.com/nonamebullets-images/bullet-image3.jpg

ohnomrbillk
05-13-2013, 03:04 AM
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo35/wkinderknecht/Swage/BlackmonBSSP_zpsdf6ee677.jpg (http://s359.photobucket.com/user/wkinderknecht/media/Swage/BlackmonBSSP_zpsdf6ee677.jpg.html)

stephen perry 1
05-13-2013, 07:28 AM
Way Cool.

Stephen

Mntngoat
05-13-2013, 05:52 PM
http://www.nonamebullets.com/nonamebullets-images/bullet-machine.jpg
http://www.nonamebullets.com/nonamebullets-images/bullet-image-1.jpg
http://www.nonamebullets.com/nonamebullets-images/bullet-image2.jpg
http://www.nonamebullets.com/nonamebullets-images/bullet-image3.jpg


Hmmm those look familiar....

ML

george ulrich
05-13-2013, 06:09 PM
http://www.nonamebullets.com/nonamebullets-images/bullet-machine.jpg
http://www.nonamebullets.com/nonamebullets-images/bullet-image-1.jpg
http://www.nonamebullets.com/nonamebullets-images/bullet-image2.jpg
http://www.nonamebullets.com/nonamebullets-images/bullet-image3.jpg

didn't know you had one of our presses where did you get it . george

ohnomrbillk
05-14-2013, 12:26 AM
Hmmm those look familiar....

ML

I just copied the links right off of nonamebullets website.

Just trying to help with a picture for those who hadn't seen one.

I'm shopping for a swage press now, and this is eye candy. :o

Utah Shooter
05-14-2013, 12:31 AM
So one is a Blackmon and the other is made by you George?

Kiwishooter
05-14-2013, 06:24 AM
http://www.nonamebullets.com/nonamebullets-images/bullet-machine.jpg
http://www.nonamebullets.com/nonamebullets-images/bullet-image-1.jpg
http://www.nonamebullets.com/nonamebullets-images/bullet-image2.jpg
http://www.nonamebullets.com/nonamebullets-images/bullet-image3.jpg


I've wanted one of George's presses for quite a while, almost had one but the person I bought my bullet dies off had sold it to Randy. If anyone has one for sale let me know.

I really like the idea of the micrometer adjustment and think it would make core seating and core squirting adjustment easy and simple.......Kiwi

ohnomrbillk
05-15-2013, 01:29 AM
again, not mine, but a visual to admire


http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo35/wkinderknecht/Swage/photo_zpsacb87efb.jpg (http://s359.photobucket.com/user/wkinderknecht/media/Swage/photo_zpsacb87efb.jpg.html)

george ulrich
05-15-2013, 03:04 AM
So one is a Blackmon and the other is made by you George?

yes, its one we made awhile back...... george

stephen perry 1
05-15-2013, 09:43 AM
George
What will be your lead time on your dies and presses after you recoup from your surgery. This horizontal press idea is looking real promising to me.

Stephen

Randy Robinett
05-16-2013, 03:09 AM
again, not mine, but a visual to admire


http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo35/wkinderknecht/Swage/photo_zpsacb87efb.jpg (http://s359.photobucket.com/user/wkinderknecht/media/Swage/photo_zpsacb87efb.jpg.html)

This is one of my Ulrich/Miester (SP? - George, please correct me if needed) presses, of which, I own three. These presses - I believe clones of the original B&A model, perhaps, featuring a few "improvements" - are the proverbial "CAT's MEOW" for core-seating of all calibers (which I make: 20; .224; .243; .257; .308), and, for pointing, all calibers, up to 6MM. :) For thirty caliber pointing, they lack mechanical advantage - leverage.

As I stated on the SGR forum < http://www.bench-talk.com/photos/r_g_robinett/default.aspx > many moons ago (about 7 years worth), for all but the pointing of thirty caliber bullets, these presses are difficult to beat. They are also extremely durable and precise.

A gander at my photo album (link above) will take you to RG's hintin', shootin', and bullet making stuff - you may want to skip over the huntin' pics and get to the bullet making pics - this may be accomplished by clicking the pages tab, at the lower left until you see something other than dead animals . . . there are also some brief descriptions of the equipment, along with my opinions of them . . .

These days, for pointing thirty caliber bullets, I employ modified RCBS presses and/or, modified, and most EXCELLENT LEE Classic Cast Presses, which following a little leverage increase, "get 'er done" . . . and quite pleasingly . . . well, if ya can tolerate RED! :eek: The LEE offering is the most simple to modify, and quite probably, the most precisely aligned (re-loading style) press available.

BTW, a bow-scale reveals that pointing thirty caliber bullets, using a RCBS press (AMMO Master), complete with an extended (19.5") lever, requires 72-74 pounds of force . . . RG

P.S. - almost forgot: gravity ALWAYS works - just ONE of the many GREAT attributes of the original B&A design! ;)

stephen perry 1
05-16-2013, 03:20 AM
Randy
You only use your Lee presses to point up.

Mntngoat
05-16-2013, 02:04 PM
Randy
You only use your Lee presses to point up.

stephen i use a lee cast press to squirt cores.

ML

Randy Robinett
05-17-2013, 12:13 AM
Randy
You only use your Lee presses to point up.

Since converting my original Lee Classic, a little over seven years ago, for core forming, I have used only the Lee Classics - no other press has matched the uniformity of cores produced on the Ugly Red Lees.;) For core "squirting", I believe the, before top-dead-center, & positive stop of the Lee Classic Press makes the most uniform cores possible. Lee cores never vary over a total range of 0.10 (1/10Th) Gr. - with any/all of my core-form dies, which when teamed-up with a RockChucker, or similar press, produce a range of 0.3 Gr. :eek:

After many tens of thousands of cores, I now believe that the "camming-over" (over-top-dead-center) geometry/attribute, employed on most other presses to be detrimental to core uniformity. At first, this was difficult to accept; results are hard to ignore.

The Ulrich presses are dedicated to core-seating (all calibers/configurations), and pointing (6mm and smaller), and the various Lee Classics are employed for all bullet swaging operations (I own 6 of those, with differing modifications, to meet "special" demands/needs) - most are dedicated to one task/caliber.

Having stated all of that, for several years now, I have purchased the majority of my cores from Charlie Hood (Hood Custom Products): Charlies cores are as good as, or, better than my own - you'd have to weigh a LOT of [Hood] cores to find a full 1/10Th grain of variation between the lightest and heaviest in a "batch". Again, none of my converted RCBS presses (all models/eras) will produce cores as precise as Charlie's or, the RED uglies, a.k.a Lee Classic Cast Press. :eek:;) RG

stephen perry 1
05-17-2013, 01:06 AM
Thanks Robbie
Some of what you do is becoming clear, never heard of a LEE press before as a bullet press until gave good reasons for your's.

Stephen Perry

aaronraad
05-17-2013, 05:24 AM
I second the Lee Classic. I have one of George's conversions on the 50BMG Classic Cast frame and it's hard to fault. A solid handle is the only change I'm considering. It's my go to press for swaging cores used in my .224 and .243 cal projectiles. Mind you the little B&A core squirt die is hard to beat.

If the Lee conversion was available when I first started, I would have chosen it first; and then the BSS and Mega-Mite presses.