OK, the list of 20 caliber wildcats needs to be culled...

[GlennFromVA]

Obviously the list of “Recognized Twenty Caliber Wildcats” needs to be shortened. After all, the list is supposed to include only “Recognized “ wildcats, not those where one or two rifles were chambered by not using the full length of a reamer, or where only one or two rifles were chambered. Based on those criteria, please vote on which ones should be deleted from the list. And, are any missing that should be included? Do I have them in the correct order?

Thanks very much for your input!
Glenn

Recognized Twenty Caliber Wildcats
(listed from smallest volume to largest)
5mm Craig (5mm Remington Magnum)
5mm Schroeder (5mm Remington Magnum)
5mm Shrike (5.7x28 case)
5mm Skeeter (25 auto)
20 Eichelberger Dart (25 auto)
20 Squirrel (22 Hornet)
20 Mink (???)
20 Ackley Hornet (22 Hornet)
20 Ackley Bee (218 Bee)
20 Killer Bee (218 Bee)
20/30 Carbine (30 Carbine)
20 VarTarg (221 Fireball)
20/222 (222 Remington)
20 VarTarg Turbo (222 Remington)
20 Bobcat (222 Remington)
20 Duster (222 Remington)
20 Terminator (222 Remington Magnum)
20 TNT (17 Remington)
20 Practical (223 Remington)
20 Tactical (223 Remington)
20 PPC (22PPC or 6PPC)
20 Little Nasty (20 PPC with the reamer run in short)
20 Pup (22PPC or 6PPC)
20 Worth, Bishop, Bowerman (6PPC)
20 BR (6mm Remington Benchrest)
20 Ferguson Ace (6mm Remington Benchrest)
20 Dasher (6mm Remington Benchrest)
20 BR Express (6mm Remington Benchrest)
20 Classic (30-30 Winchester)
20-250 (22-250 Remington)

[Mntngoat]

Just my opinion but these are personal favorites.

20 Killer Bee (218 Bee)
20 VarTarg (221 Fireball)
20 Duster (222 Remington)
Tactical 20 (223 Remington)
20 PPC (22PPC or 6PPC)
20 Little Nasty (20 PPC with the reamer run in short)

It hasn't been completed yet but I' am building a 20 x 47 based on the 6.5 x 47 Lapua brass, should about duplicate DAA 's 20-250 but with Lapua brass. (No other reason than I want to see how many rounds a barrel can withstand at high velocity) actually I think it will make a great VLR rifle.

[Bayou City Boy]

Steve Schroeder's name needs to be included also with the 5MM Craig.

His bolt face replacement conversion is a lot more "user friendly" than a permanent lazer cut cross the original bolt face. With his conversion you have both CF and RF options with the same rifle. Just knock out a cross pin and swap/replace the bolt faces.

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/5723/schroederconversionabk7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

JMO - BCB

[GLWenzl]

Don't forget the 20 Mink!! Smaller than a 20 AH and larger than a 20 Squirrel..... ;)

[montdoug]

I have a problem with the .20 Satan to be honest for completely personal reasons. I dislike the name intensely and wouldn't have one because of that, it seriously conflicts with my beliefs as childish as it may sound to some. Wouldn't want a .19 Hitler either or a .17 Stalin as far as that goes.
To each their own, no offence intended toward anyone.

[Bayou City Boy]

I have a problem with the .20 Satan to be honest for completely personal reasons. I dislike the name intensely and wouldn't have one because of that, it seriously conflicts with my beliefs as childish as it may sound to some. Wouldn't want a .19 Hitler either or a .17 Stalin as far as that goes.
To each their own, no offence intended toward anyone.

And just when I was gonna' introduce to ya'll my new 20-06 John Kerry cartridge......

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8586/saveuskerrypa0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

-BCB

[montdoug]

Touche!
Don't want one a them nither.:D
Love the picture BCB

[17VLD]

I think we should use the Lapua 6.5x47 brass and call it the 5X47 Lapua.
Not sure you can find the 6x47Swiss brass here anyway.
TTFN
Matt

[Skypilotbc]

I'll even add one I have not seen yet--only thought about:
.20 HaShrewU2

Stephen's Habu-Shrew, shortened .002" just for the name:eek:
Bob

[17VLD]

I think we should use the Lapua 6.5x47 brass and call it the 5X47 Lapua.
Not sure you can find the 6x47Swiss brass here anyway.
TTFN
Matt
P.S. I'm suprised no one came up with the 20SADAM yet.:p

[foxhunter]

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[montdoug]

I heard you can buy that .20 Sadam used Matt. Never been fired and only dropped once.

Glenn if I'm not mistaken (and I well could be) I believe the Tactical .20 has just a titch more capacity than the .20 Practical. Never been around the Practical but I understand it's just a .223 necked to .20 the Tact.20 has the shoulders moved forward just a minute ammount.

[Fireball]

Glen, the "Practical 20" is actually called the "20 Practical". And I'm pretty sure the same goes for the "20 Tactical" as its official cartridge name/designation. I could be wrong about the 20 Tactical however. How are the dies and brass marked for the 20 Tactical?

[montdoug]

Fireball I'm not sure about the cases cause I like forming my own so mine read IMI .223 but you are indeed right, the dies read .20 Tactical. It's the ever changing name syndrome, I've heard Todd himself call it by both names.
Fireball am I right in thinking the Tact. has just a tad more capacity gained by moving the shoulders a bit? (not that it makes a lick of difference in performance).

[Fireball]

Doug, I am not actually sure of the capacity as I have never had access to a 20 Tactical case. I know the shoulder is pushed back on the 20 Tactcial so that argues for a tad less capacity, but perhaps less body taper and the sharper shoulder angle compensate for this? Has anyone ever measured both? I bet they are extremely close to one another.

As an off topic aside, I just did a case capacity comparison between a 6x47mm Lapua and a 6mm-250 and they came out exactly the same. Funny how this worked out. Lots of 6mm-250 data out there for any of you considering necking down the new 6.5x47mm Lapua case.

[GlennFromVA]

I have never designed a wildcat cartridge, I just like to enjoy what others have done.
Glenn

[457ciSBC]

I think we should use the Lapua 6.5x47 brass and call it the 5X47 Lapua.
Not sure you can find the 6x47Swiss brass here anyway.
TTFN
Matt

It needs to stay based on the 6x47 SM case. They are not the same case, the Lapua case is .039 taller from base to shoulder.

Mike

[17VLD]

Let the Satan wither away and die.Along with the Swiss brass and
use the 6.5x47 Lapua brass and different dimension and create
a new cartridge and better name(5X47 Lapua).We just don't want to give Satan or his namesake any glory.
TTFN
Matt

[montdoug]

I guess I'm not alone.

[ogre6br]

I guess I'm not alone.

ahhh the agnostic in me says whats the hub bub it's just a name-- but then it's not nice to throw primers in the fire.
Respect your opinions and support your rights to express them

later
P

[tera]

Obviously the list of “Recognized Twenty Caliber Wildcats” needs to be shortened. After all, the list is supposed to include only “Recognized “ wildcats, not those where one or two rifles were chambered by not using the full length of a reamer, or where only one or two rifles were chambered. Based on those criteria, please vote on which ones should be deleted from the list. And, are any missing that should be included? Do I have them in the correct order?

Thanks very much for your input!
Glenn

Recognized Twenty Caliber Wildcats
(listed from smallest volume to largest)
5mm Craig (5mm Remington Magnum)
5mm Schroeder (5mm Remington Magnum)
5mm Shrike (5.7x28 case)
5mm Skeeter (25 auto)
20 Eichelberger Dart (25 auto)
20 Squirrel (22 Hornet)
20 Mink (???)
20 Ackley Hornet (22 Hornet)
20 Ackley Bee (218 Bee)
20 Killer Bee (218 Bee)
20/30 Carbine (30 Carbine)
20 VarTarg (221 Fireball)
20/222 (222 Remington)
20 VarTarg Turbo (222 Remington)
20 Bobcat (222 Remington)
20 Duster (222 Remington)
20 Terminator (222 Remington Magnum)
20 TNT (17 Remington)
20 Practical (223 Remington)
20 Tactical (223 Remington)
20 PPC (22PPC or 6PPC)
20 Little Nasty (20 PPC with the reamer run in short)
20 Pup (22PPC or 6PPC)
20 Worth, Bishop, Bowerman (6PPC)
20 BR (6mm Remington Benchrest)
20 Ferguson Ace (6mm Remington Benchrest)
20 Dasher (6mm Remington Benchrest)
20 BR Express (6mm Remington Benchrest)
20 Classic (30-30 Winchester)
20-250 (22-250 Remington)


Mercie for this list it is very interesting :)
But I would like to know the dimensions of calibrate which sound on this list
Length is diameter of the case? :confused:
Length is diameter of the body? :confused:
Length is diameter of the collar? :confused:
Diameters of foundation?



Mercie for those who shall be able to give me measurements is for information which can you make me by?