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rfurman24
05-04-2009, 12:27 AM
I will be building on a Savage repeater and need a cartridge that will feed. I will be building it with a fast twist barrel for 55gr Bergers.

Oleman
05-04-2009, 01:02 AM
If you want to shoot 55 Gr bullet just go right to a 20 PPC or 20 BR Other words I feel you won't get the best varmint performance. If you want to shoot the heavier bullets go with the 22-250.

rfurman24
05-04-2009, 02:03 AM
I just realized I put this in the wrong place. The 20BR and the 20PPC would be better choices if they would feed but I seriously doubt they will. Either of the cartridges I questioned would outperform the 22-250 because of the higher bc bullets.

MuleyTime
05-04-2009, 03:42 AM
Put your doubts to rest :)

A good smith can make a BR case feed VERY well.

rfurman24
05-04-2009, 06:32 AM
I have a Savage stagger feed. If I remember correctly Fred at Sharp Shooter Supply said the will not feed. I might be able to make it work in a center feed action. I am already building a 20Br on a target action for prairie dogs. I would like to have another caliber. I currently have two .204Rs and a 20VT.

AlbertaAl
05-04-2009, 01:59 PM
Baesd on the 2 choices...I vote 20TAC
Reason being is there simply isn't any quality brass made for 22-250 compared to the Lpaua brass available for the 20TAC
The best that's available for the 22-250 is the Norma or Nosler Custom brass and even though they're better then most, they just aren't as tough as Lapua.
If you want a small calibre that competes with the 20-250 then simply build a 20BR or even better ...20DASHER

Oleman
05-04-2009, 06:30 PM
Baesd on the 2 choices...I vote 20TAC
Reason being is there simply isn't any quality brass made for 22-250 compared to the Lpaua brass available for the 20TAC
The best that's available for the 22-250 is the Norma or Nosler Custom brass and even though they're better then most, they just aren't as tough as Lapua.
If you want a small calibre that competes with the 20-250 then simply build a 20BR or even better ...20DASHER


Al my personal feeling is using Lapua etc is a waste on a carry/hunting rifle.

rfurman24
05-04-2009, 09:15 PM
I agree will Oleman. I will still try to save my brass but I do not want to be crying over lost Lapua brass. Thanks for all the comments. Keep them coming.

microgun
05-04-2009, 11:51 PM
Question is how far do you want to shoot? Do you need the extra performance of the 20-250, or will the tact 20 suffice for the mission. I know that all us gun nuts always favor performance but that comes at a price. Lets see now the us military shoots the 223 with 77 grn bullet at 1000 yds in hopes of killing a man. You are shooting a coyote at what 400 maybe. The 223 with 77 grn bullet has a Bc of .372 at maybe 3000 fps compared with the tact 20 55 grn at 3400-3500 or more with a Bc of .381 its a no brainer for me. Higher Bc, more velocity, less powder and recoil.300 fps advantage with the 20-250 at a cost of 10-14 grns more powder. My personal opinion is to do more with less is greater.

rfurman24
05-05-2009, 04:55 AM
This is why I asked. I love low powder charges and efficiency but I love power as well. I really think the 20tac would suffice but the 20-250 would be better. If this were going to be a high volume gun I would not even consider the powder hog.

JoeZ
05-05-2009, 06:42 AM
The Tac20 and the 204R are animals with a 40gr bullet. I just sighted my buddies 204R 700LVSF 1 inch high at 100 was dead on at 200. I took my 20Bobcat out for it's final voage on Sat. My kid was tearing groundhogs up at 200-250yards. Caliber size hole going in hole the size of a quarter coming out and DRT with 40gr B-tips at 3800and change. It was poisen on coyotes with a 35gr Berger.

My new tac20 will only be getting 40gr pills. Plastic tips for vermin and Bergers for fur. I would not hesitate to drop the hammer on a coyote at 400yards with that combo. Called coyotes will be alot closer if you are doing your job.

Maybe DAA and Alberta Al will jump in here. Pat Cameron has kill a predator or three also. I just went through the same delima. I wanted a 20PPC but after weighing all the pro and cons i ended up with a min spec Tac20. I know it will feed and put song dogs in the ground. I wll not have to be as picky about bullets. Most will not splash on the hide at those velos. I will not tear up a barrel plinking and shooting groundhogs all summer getting ready for fur season.

Oleman
05-05-2009, 03:53 PM
This is why I asked. I love low powder charges and efficiency but I love power as well. I really think the 20tac would suffice but the 20-250 would be better. If this were going to be a high volume gun I would not even consider the powder hog.

The 20-250 is going to blow up right on the hair with most bullets or you're going to be down loading it. DAA can verify that and has posted that information on this forum before. But your money, your gun.

AlbertaAl
05-05-2009, 05:32 PM
between the 2 calibres....I still choose the TAC20 with Lapua brass :D

If, I HAD TO OWN just one calibre ..that's what it'd be !
Why cheap-out on brass when you can use LAPUA which'll ensure the highest performance & accuracy. I never loose my brass...one shot is all it takes.

Using a barrel twist suited for 35 or 40 grain BERGERS will absolutley "STONE"
a coyote right out to 450 yards. It's a flat shooting economical cartridge with 1/2 the recoil and muzzel blast of a 20-250

If you don't want to spend any money...and just wanna shoot ...then just buy yourself a factory 204
You won't be able to shoot the 40 grain bullets but the 35 will work...maybe even the 39's

microgun
05-05-2009, 08:14 PM
I love when we all agree on a subject. I tell you can you feel the love here on this forum for less recoiling rounds!!! LIke I said to do more with less is greater. A man that can do the same with a 22lr as his friends do with a 223 is a better man and a better rifleman.

rfurman24
05-05-2009, 10:18 PM
I did call Fred and he did say that the 20BR will feed from a center feed magazine. So...I will be building a 20BR. Thanks for all the help. More with less, right.

tim simbari
05-05-2009, 10:56 PM
between the 2 calibres....I still choose the TAC20 with Lapua brass :D

If, I HAD TO OWN just one calibre ..that's what it'd be !
Why cheap-out on brass when you can use LAPUA which'll ensure the highest performance & accuracy. I never loose my brass...one shot is all it takes.

Using a barrel twist suited for 35 or 40 grain BERGERS will absolutley "STONE"
a coyote right out to 450 yards. It's a flat shooting economical cartridge with 1/2 the recoil and muzzel blast of a 20-250

If you don't want to spend any money...and just wanna shoot ...then just buy yourself a factory 204
You won't be able to shoot the 40 grain bullets but the 35 will work...maybe even the 39's

Not only is all that Al said true, but it's with less than 26 grains of powder and a lot easier on barrels and throats. Lapua brass does'nt even need neck turning.