Bullet Exporting

[Bughole]

I have had several requests from other countries to purchase my bullets. I have looked into obtaining an export license and even paid a company $200.00 to do the required research on that. It looks way too costly to me for the benefit and yet the penalties for sneaking and getting caught remain very stiff. I wonder if there might be someone who has already jumped through the proper hoops and has actually gotten their export license who might be willing to work with me in some way to help me get my bullets over-seas legitimately? Thanks.

Bughole
Bughole@PrecisionBallisticsLLC.com
http://PrecisionBallisticsLLC.com

[vmthtr in Green Bay]

Call Sinclair and inqiure there.

Mike

[Randy Robinett]

Have him review the stuff here :http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/ and then have him consult with a U.S. DOS represnetative - I won't provide legal advice, other than to send your straight to your attorney: this is serious business.

Sadly, we are governed by idiots AND fools, who were elected by the same sorts - I believe that it was Thomas Jefferson who said [something like] , "a man who would trade LIBERTY for SECURITY is a FOOL and DESERVES NEITHER" . . . in outrageously Orwellian fassion, here we are . . . Ayn Rand isn't looking so dumb either: "The man who speaks of sacrifice speaks of slave and master, and intends to be the master." :( Get your attorney's advice. RG

[JohnM]

Nice quote Randy…

Getting stuff out of the states is hard to say the least. I’ve been waiting just on a year for a 6mm barrel….

Sounds to me like you need to throw a heap of dollars to get a federal export licence

John

[trevort]

Bughole, thanks for trying!

[Oleman]

In todays market competitive shooting bullets at competitive prices you should be busy enough you won't have time to export.

[Bughole]

I REALLY, REALLY used to enjoy my country, and was PROUD to be an American! The past several years not so much. This year, for the very first time, I fear for our country's future! The anti-gunner Socialists who now hold the entire country by the balls are swiftly ruining this great country in every facet they can. They control the banks, mortgages, auto industry, will likely disarm the citizens, they want to ruin our healthcare system which is the BEST in the world by making it socialized medicine. Nowhere that has that likes it. I am a retired RN and know what I'm talking about on that front! I expect the feds to control the planes and trains before long and while they will fix it so Americans won't be able to travel out of our country, they will make it so all illegals that come here get ID cards so they can vote and get our tax dollars in welfare. There is nothing good coming out of Washington these days and I fear for our very survival if it keeps going in this direction!

Re: exporting bullets. Wow! I never thought this would be such a problem! I did try Sinclair International. With a name like that and just being 40 miles north of me that sounded good. They were very polite and wished they could help me but they have stopped all exporting because the risks were just too high! I tried Berger Bullets, and Eric was very nice and helpful but they couldn't help me directly either. They did put me in touch with a firm who could, and I might hook up with them sometime, but just to break even after the fees, I'd need to sell over 15,000 bullets overseas. Perhaps that might make sense sometime, but not now. Randy...thanks for your advice! You have been in this game a long time and are the icon of custom bulletsmiths. I trust what you say and believe that I'll just keep my little bullet business domestic. There are way more shooters buying and shooting up everyone's bullets to ever worry about having too much inventory on the shelves! I really want to stay small and not have to hire employees and work 18 hours a day.

I appreciate everyone's help on this issue! Shoot straight and duck quick!

Bughole

[DittoHead]

Have you tried MidwayUSA? I know they are selling in the United Kingdom as MidwayUK and might be branching out into other countries as well. I don't have any idea what minimum lot size they would require, but hang in there and good luck.

[Alycidon]

For many years we here in the UK we have bought actions and barrels from you. Increasing US legislation and export licence costs mean that we are now using other actions from Barnard for example and there are now two home built Remmy 700 clones being launched soon.

In the past we have relied on you for primers, now they are in very short supply here so do doubt some enterpising young lad will resource them elsewhere. I know if I could get the Russian primer in small rifle I would never need BR4s or 205s again.

Barrels are normally supplied unchambered, one of your barrel companies wont export to us at all period. Some say they want export licences and some say they need nothing other than payment. Mind you things may have changed as its been a year or so since I brought some barrels over. Anyone know why you have this inconsistancy?.

A

[Alycidon]

I REALLY, REALLY used to enjoy my country, and was PROUD to be an American! The past several years not so much. This year, for the very first time, I fear for our country's future! The anti-gunner Socialists who now hold the entire country by the balls are swiftly ruining this great country in every facet they can. They control the banks, mortgages, auto industry, will likely disarm the citizens, they want to ruin our healthcare system which is the BEST in the world by making it socialized medicine. Nowhere that has that likes it. I am a retired RN and know what I'm talking about on that front! I expect the feds to control the planes and trains before long and while they will fix it so Americans won't be able to travel out of our country, they will make it so all illegals that come here get ID cards so they can vote and get our tax dollars in welfare. There is nothing good coming out of Washington these days and I fear for our very survival if it keeps going in this direction!

Re: exporting bullets. Wow! I never thought this would be such a problem! I did try Sinclair International. With a name like that and just being 40 miles north of me that sounded good. They were very polite and wished they could help me but they have stopped all exporting because the risks were just too high! I tried Berger Bullets, and Eric was very nice and helpful but they couldn't help me directly either. They did put me in touch with a firm who could, and I might hook up with them sometime, but just to break even after the fees, I'd need to sell over 15,000 bullets overseas. Perhaps that might make sense sometime, but not now. Randy...thanks for your advice! You have been in this game a long time and are the icon of custom bulletsmiths. I trust what you say and believe that I'll just keep my little bullet business domestic. There are way more shooters buying and shooting up everyone's bullets to ever worry about having too much inventory on the shelves! I really want to stay small and not have to hire employees and work 18 hours a day.

I appreciate everyone's help on this issue! Shoot straight and duck quick!

Bughole

My local Sierra distributer placed his last order with them for 250,000 bullets, he got less than half from stock. But most of then will be hunting and varmint bullets. Target shooting is quite small over here, probably less than 200 shoot Benchrest with most 6mmPPCs being built for long range varminting and small deer. F class is though rapidly expanding.


A

[JohnM]

Re: exporting bullets. Wow! I never thought this would be such a problem! I did try Sinclair International. With a name like that and just being 40 miles north of me that sounded good. They were very polite and wished they could help me but they have stopped all exporting because the risks were just too high! I trust what you say and believe that I'll just keep my little bullet business domestic. There are way more shooters buying and shooting up everyone's bullets to ever worry about having too much inventory on the shelves! I really want to stay small and not have to hire employees and work 18 hours a day.


Bughole

Sinclair International are still exporting, so they lied to you, I got a package last week!

I think keeping your bullet business domestic might be a wise move Bughole. If you want to go big, go very big which'll cost quite a bit and take a lot to control your quality....

John

[LT17]

there are now two home built Remmy 700 clones being launched soon.

I don't suppose you have any links? I would be interested to see some home grown machining for a change.

As to the export issue it does seem to vary a lot depending on each companies interpretation of the rules. I suppose given the potential fines that could be levied they do have to tread carefully and none of us want to see bullets, 'scopes etc. fall into the hands of terrorists.

What bothers me is the creeping legislation that stifles business and makes earning a living from firearms next to impossible. My fear is that the "bansturbators" know that can't ban handguns for example without causing a huge wave of protests but they can make ownership increasingly difficult.

The constant drip, drip, drip of new laws making people think "sod it I can't be bothered to carry on" that is I believe the problem in the US now. In Britain the media had portrayed anyone owning a gun as dubious for years so it was relatively simple to ban handguns given that the numbers of law abiding owners was relatively low.

That and the fact that the socialists had a huge majority in Parliament drawn mainly from urban areas and have always despised anyone from the country. In the US the can't get away with that so they are trying a different tack.

[trevort]

Sinclair International are still exporting, so they lied to you, I got a package last week!

I think keeping your bullet business domestic might be a wise move Bughole. If you want to go big, go very big which'll cost quite a bit and take a lot to control your quality....

John

what did you order, I still get dies and tools from time to time but no brass or bullets or gunparts now.

[JohnM]

A Meplat trimmer, a case trimmer and a small set off MTM scales was all I got in the last order.

The only product I get from the States that close to Bullets is J4 jackets, which I don’t have any problems getting.

It’s not only Ammo we have trouble getting, but oils and any other so called dangerous goods. Some manufactures also forbid exporting their products.

John

[sicero]

We can't be to brilliant, we just elected a president because the news media thought it would be nice to have a different color president for a change. Kenny

[LRCampos]

The only product I get from the States that close to Bullets is J4 jackets, which I don’t have any problems getting.

John


May I ask from who did you but the J4 Jackets? I would like to buy some.

[JohnM]

In the past I've ordered though Larry Blackmon which arrived very quickly

My last order hasn't been so prompt? I'm still waitting....


John

[larryinIA]

I went to the post office the other day to mail some cases, and asked them if I could send bullets to a friend in AU, they said they had nothing that showed it couldn't be done. They did refer me to ask USPS for a definitive answer, which I haven't done yet.

larry

[LT17]

I went to the post office the other day to mail some cases, and asked them if I could send bullets to a friend in AU, they said they had nothing that showed it couldn't be done. They did refer me to ask USPS for a definitive answer, which I haven't done yet.

larry

Larry here in Canada I can no longer purchase reloading powder, brass, bullets or 'scopes in the US without an export license. If I popped over the border and was caught by the Feds it would be pretty unpleasant. The average person in the Post Office I am sure has no idea of this but it is pretty serious. The license comes from the Dept. of Commerce I think and it costs something crazy like $250 and you have to first submit an import approval from the importer before one is granted. Cabelas received a huge fine from the government for exporting 'scopes without a license.

http://www.exportlawblog.com/archives/425

[larryinIA]

The ramifications, didn't know the penalty, but know it's serious. I want to know, and will find out if I can send loose bullets to my friends in AU though. The post office looked up in contraband, and also what is legal to ship, but as I mentioned earlier, still referred me to 800-ask-usps. Blows me away that a rifle scope would be one of those items you have to have a permit to export.

Pretty soon, our "King" will have it that way here too. He would love to do away with guns in the hands of civilians.

larry

[LT17]

You're not wrong buddy. Thanks to the (justified) fears of Americans over the current incumbent of the White House it is really tough to get supplies for reloading here in Canada. I have waited months for a couple of pounds of Varget locally and I now buy primers whenever I see them.

The export restrictions though do benefit the big importers who are able to maintain monopoly status. I had the same situation when I lived in England. I used to buy all my 'scopes on holiday in the US. The price in England was usually the same in £ as the price in $. This was when £1 = $1.75 so you can see just how much mark up they were making.

I used to buy all my bullets from the US from Lock Stock & Barrel, great guys to deal with. Then they tightened up on exports. They would classify them as copper and lead parts on the Customs declaration. Only later did I find out that this was a grey area.

In the UK expanding bullets are classed as "missiles" UK Customs never hassled me, but strictly speaking they should have been entered on my firearms license. In the UK you can only "hold" an agreed number of bullets and only "buy" an agreed number. The police restrict the amounts on what they think is reasonable. Also if you don't buy enough during the five year interval between license renewal they can scale back the amounts. I used to hold 1000 .22 rimfire with allowed to purchase 500 at a time. I know of people in the past who dumped ammunition just to ensure they had kept up the quantities.

Oh and while I am bitching about UK laws in order to buy a rifle, assuming they allow you one. You have to have an empty "slot" on your license. So if you decide to trade it in you have to hand over the gun to the buyer (who has to have an empty slot for that calibre or be a firearms dealer) then send you license back to the police who will in their own sweet time issue you with a new certificate with an empty slot. Mind you if "The One" had his way I imagine he would love to have this level of control.