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Bayou City Boy
04-03-2011, 04:04 AM
What's it worth.....? Serial number is 5 digits - 74XXX..........

An old guy down the street has this rifle and it is probably 98%+ on the bluing. Even the metal, mag box, etc. under the stock level looks new. It has sat in a coat closet for the past 20 years with occasional wipe downs and oiling of metal.

The stock is in very good condition as far as dings go, but the 60's vintage thick varnish finish is age cracked in numerous place. He had sling swivel studs installed by a gun smith. Very good job and they come with white spacer which were big back then.

The rife has been shot some, but it has never had a scope mounted on it. Old style 700 sights are in place. Original aluminum butt plate. Metal trigger guard. The bore looks mint. The rifle is old enough that the action has the old style stripper clip slot cut into the rear bridge like the early 700's had.

The wood appears to have some good color variations and streaks in it, but no crotch wood or anything like that...

Anyway..........what would be a fair price for all involved to pay for it? Does the age and condition do anything for its value...? If I buy it, the varnish will go and it will get replaced with an oil finish...


TIA - BCB

Stevo
04-03-2011, 04:41 PM
Value I can't say. But I can tell you the guns from pre 64 are very sought after. As a collectible the last thing you want to do is redo the stock. The collectors want the rifles in original condition. The cracking is very appealing to them.

I found one rifle listed for sale.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/994454774/Guns/Rifles/Remington-Rifles-Modern/Model-700/Sporting/REMINGTON_700_ADL_222_MAG.htm

Bayou City Boy
04-03-2011, 04:54 PM
I understand the collector issues. As does the owner..... I told him where he could get a fair appraisal value on the rifle close to where we both live, and I encouraged him to get it appraised as is. However, if I buy it, it will be a shooter and not a collector piece, so the stock gets re-done.

I'm just trying to get a ball park idea for a fair price on an old rifle. I want to be fair to the guy, but I don't want to go crazy either. It's nothing rare or unique.... Its a nice rifle as is for a collector, but I want it only as a shooter.

Thanks.........

-BCB

long shot
04-03-2011, 05:01 PM
BCB,

I picked up this old 722 in 222 mag. a while back. The blueing is about 90%. It is not a factory stock and it has the addition of 725 bottom metal.
The stock work was professionally done and the floorplate installation looks great. For comparison purposes I gave $700. for this one....

http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss38/aaron21x2/722.jpg

Aaron

Stephen Perry
04-03-2011, 05:03 PM
$300 and no looking back, bought a Ruger 77 V this year for that and it included dies. Nice rifle longshot, good caliber.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR

Chuck Miller
04-03-2011, 05:31 PM
Any complete 700, ie action and bolt can generally bring 3-350.00. That ADL with it's original buttplate, in 222Rem, in that condition will probably go north of 500.00 real quick in a auction on GB. To me that rifle is a prime "keeper", not to be confused with the many donor 700's that pass through our hands, and only a few will know and appreciate what it is. You'll know who those people are, their eyes will glaze over, they'll try not to overtly glare at it and will finish off with making some lame comment like, "let me know if you ever want to dump it". I would consider 500.00 to be at the bottom of retail value and if I made that offer I would cross my fingers and hope someone else didn't find it. Still no one, including me likes to pay retail. As for the stock I would strip it put a nice oil finish on it and shoot it. On a "keeper" I don't consider the collectability, I like to pick it up and like what I see, must be a Texas thing. If you get it, pics please.

Bayou City Boy
04-03-2011, 05:46 PM
Thanks, Chuck....

We seem to agree 100% on "keepers" as this is what this rifle is to me. So I want the stock to look good in my eyes - oil finish it is. Maybe it is a Texas "thing".

I'm not worried about "looking back".... But, I do want to be able to look down the street and wave at the guy knowing we both got a good deal on a rifle he no longer needs. He doesn't need to sell it for the money. He just causally told me about it and he said he thought I might be interested. And I want to give him a fair price in return....

Thanks again.....

-BCB

Recko555
04-04-2011, 02:02 AM
Is your "old guy down the street" named Bob ? Could be an odd coincidence coming up?

Bayou City Boy
04-04-2011, 02:29 AM
Is your "old guy down the street" named Bob ? Could be an odd coincidence coming up?

Nope........... No Bob involved here.... me or him....

-BCB

RowdyYates
04-04-2011, 02:53 AM
FWIW: a guy over on www.rimfirecentral.com (centerfire classifieds) has had a Model 722 in good-to-very good condition for sale for a few weeks. $489.

dcloco
04-04-2011, 03:09 AM
This rifle is of a highly sought after Remington.

This is the rifle that M40's clones are built off of...the exact rifle that you have described.

These can sell in the $800 range. Yours would not, because the bolt face would need work to use with the 308 sized cases.

Bayou City Boy
04-04-2011, 03:12 AM
Update::::::::::::::

I saw the guy this afternoon out in his yard and I walked down to his house. I asked if he got the rifle appraised and he told me he called them yesterday and they offered him $475 sight unseen in the described condition and they told him he "might get $600, maybe $650" by selling it outright to the "right buyer"....

So........... I offered him the $650 which is exactly what I had decided was the max I was willing to pay for the rifle to begin with... He laughed and told me his wife would be pleased at that news, but he couldn't take that much. He had bought the rifle new in San Antonio, in "1960 something" according to him, and when he wrote a check for $162 for the rifle, his then fairly new wife thought they might not ever be able to afford to eat again.

He bought it because he had an uncle in the Rio Grande Valley who was overrun with coyotes, and he wanted to try his hand at killing coyotes. He said he never considered scoping the rifle as most shots were from ~25-75 yards in fairy heavy mesquite and brush. Besides, he told me the gun salesman told him that this then relatively new "222 round" would kill anything you pointed the rifle at, at any range.... I guess that guy behind the gun counter has had a long career and has worked in a lot of different places......

Bottom line......... We settled on "the most" he would take in cash, and I negotiated that I and my wife are also taking him and his wife to dinner at Pappadeux's tomorrow evening. By the time we eat some really good Cajun food with appetizers and kill a bottle of good wine in a nice restaurant, the rifle will no doubt have cost me right at $650..... But when I was walking the rifle home with it slung over my shoulder "safari style", the open-mouth look I got from the yuppie couple who don't speak to anyone on the block was worth twice that much. They were getting into their BMW with mouths agape at me, and I'm sure I'll be the "topic of conversation" for them and their friends for quite awhile... Besides, a nice dinner with good folks is worth a lot just by itself, too.

I never thought about "before" pictures as the rifle stock is now doused in Zip Strip, but I will post some "after" pics with the stock oil finished. I still haven't decide if I want to put a scope on the rifle or just leave it like it is.

One neat thing I noticed after I got it home is the rifle has the "pre-Australian" style of short bolt shroud on it. Early 700 rifles had a short bolt shroud that left the back of the striker exposed after the rifle was fired. I'm not sure of the total logic involved, but the Australian government required that an imported rifle have a bolt shroud long enough so that if there was a live round in the chamber and the striker was in the fired position with the firing pin touching the primer, that the striker could not be hit on the back with a hammer and possibly cause the rifle to fire a live round. So, because Remington was exporting a lot of Model 700 rifles to Australia back then, Remington made a longer bolt shroud still found on 700 rifles so that in the current scenario the back of the striker is inside the bolt shroud in the fired position and it is not accessible to a hammer thump.

Another cool feature on these old rifles, IMO, is the squared checkered safety lever.

Pictures of the new oil finish stock and rifle coming after the stock is done in a few days...

-BCB

Stephen Perry
04-04-2011, 03:37 AM
I you decide to scope your .222 think about a fixed power scope. If you want the rifle as a walk-up rifle I would recommend a 6x scope. If for a Varmint rifle off a rest an 8-10x scope would work fine. No need for a variable scope. For a die set if you don't have one already an RCBS will do fine.

I have a Rem 722 in .222 cal with a 10x Weaver scope and RCBS dies among others for a .222. You'll be happy with your deal.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR

Bayou City Boy
04-04-2011, 03:57 AM
I you decide to scope your .222 think about a fixed power scope. If you want the rifle as a walk-up rifle I would recommend a 6x scope. If for a Varmint rifle off a rest an 8-10x scope would work fine. No need for a variable scope. For a die set if you don't have one already an RCBS will do fine.

I have a Rem 722 in .222 cal with a 10x Weaver scope and RCBS dies among others for a .222. You'll be happy with your deal.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR

Thanks for all the information and suggestions, but this isn't my first rodeo with a 222 Rem...

This is purely a sporter weight rifle... I have several extra fixed power Leupys lying in wait, but I also have several good variables that will work just fine if I decide to scope it.

-BCB

Stephen Perry
04-04-2011, 05:05 AM
The effective Range for a field .222 is 250-300 yd. from experience. Scope is your choice I too have extra scopes Leupold and the like fixed and Variable. After several scope changes I've settled on the fixed scopes.

I'm with you here, I buy rifles to be shooters. Stripping the finish and replacing with what you like is a good exercise for any factory rifle with some wear on it, might find some better wood than you first saw and become aware of the stock bedding. What type of checkering on a 1964 ADL? I have have a 70's ADL that has impressed checkering not bad, utilitarion, the impressed checkering can become cut checkering if you choose to do the labor.

I overhauled my 722 Remington in .222 Rem. in 83. Glad I did it rifle feels better to me better balance, most that see it think it is a Custom something. Factory barrel was shortened to 24 1/2". Barreled action was prepared by myself with up to 600 grit rouge polishing compound after many sandings. Stock finish was stripped to the wood by myself hand sanding in 5 grits, 80-600, sealed, and a Brownells epoxy finish was added with help from my smith at that time. Common routine here, the new epoxy was sanded down several times and the final finish was brushed on. The stock was then buffed on wheels same 240-600 roughe compound, as my barrel was done with, a Pachmayer RP 200 brown pad was installed. I bought the polishing arbor with wheels and polishing compounds from my smith along with some of his other equipment when he decided to retire. My 722 makes for a nice walk-up gun, did before the overhaul too. Good luck with your new to you rifle.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR

georgeld
04-04-2011, 05:34 AM
BCB:

Update to my post below.
Should have read the thread first huh? Typical of me!
Glad you got a good deal. Seems the older generation mostly won't try to take advantage all they can.
You got a fair buy and both happy. Plus now you're the talk of the neighborhood too. Can't buy that at any price!
Wonder how far they got before calling the cops to complain: "There's a man with a gun walking down the street!!!!"
I've had it happen to myself and I've lived here since late '73. Cops were called because I had a big iron hunting rig over my shoulder and two rifle's in my hands. Cops got a kick out of it when I showed them how I carried them from the trk to the house. New neighbors here and since moved, thank God for miricles!!

I have a copy of the '02 Blue Book, issue #Twenty Seven.

MSR $543, 100% $430 98% $345 95% $270

Add 20% for 20" barrel mfg 1962-63)
Add 50% fir ,222ReM Mag, or .280 20"

This is NOT the current book value, but, it should give you something to go on, or at least consider.

Wish you both the best on this.
Did the man buy it new himself?
How much shooting has the gun seen? Can he tell you that?
Sounds like it's nearly new condition.

Good luck

Easy_E
04-04-2011, 02:11 PM
I've been lusting over the triple deuce for a while. Every rifle collection needs one ! Here's a good idea on pricing http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2473120&Searchpage=1&Main=218262&Words=222&Search=true#Post2473120

One nice / bad thing about walking with a rifle around here everyone wants to talk to you. What you hunting what caliber why that caliber where's your partner you need a partner how did YOU get permission want me to spot for you ?
I drive either the wifes or daughters jeeps to hide my identity while hunting.

rick w.
04-04-2011, 04:33 PM
BCB,

Think I have a BDL of the same vintage in 222mag. I acquired mine preowned in about 75 from a similar transaction. We argued over what the max price should be too..... :-) ......in the same way as your guy and yourself. Missed the dinner though, both working for a big outfit and had to get back to work.

I appreciate hearing the stories on the rifle, especially about the pricing with the guy. Things like that keeps me in the gun hobby...........

Rick W.

Tom
04-06-2011, 10:31 PM
Here's mine, made in 1977, not quite as old as your, but it has fantastic wood for a Rem...Tom

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm132/tlo47/222-4Smalljpg.jpg

RePete
04-06-2011, 10:51 PM
I've been waiting for this post that I pretty much knew was coming.:D
Can't wait for the sequel.

Good find, and well done as usual.
Charlie