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Big Tim
04-05-2012, 09:05 PM
Anybody try this in 20vt or 17AH? It's right between 2200 and 2230, both of which are suitable for the VT and the AH. Thanks, Tim.

montdoug
04-07-2012, 05:45 PM
Tim I wish more fellas would respond to this. I bought an 8 lb can back when it was 2015BR cause AA claimed it was "THE" stuff for higher velocities out of the 6BR with lighter bullets, my 6BR didn't agree so I still have almost the whole 8lbs.
I've got data on the .17 MachIV / .17 Fireball with it out of AA's on line load data in a PDF file here on the computer also a number of other rounds but laziness has kept me from trying it so it's still sitting in there collecting dust :o.
In my VarTarg I started out testing with H4198 and worked up a load that shot so well I stopped looking (again with the laziness deal :o). On the burn rate chart I just looked at 2015 is just a few slots slower than H4198 and and N133 as well as just a few slots faster than RE7, Benchmark, Ex-Terminator etc. In other words and as you pointed out it sits right in the middle of any number of powders us small caliber guys use a lot. It is a bit slower than the N120 that I use in my .17 Ackley Hornet but I use 20 grain V-Max's and if a guy was interested in 25 grain V-Max's it might be just the ticket.
That does it, this summer on my things to do list figuring out uses for 2015 is at the top :cool:.
If you try it post your findings please :).
It's a powder that doesn't get talked about much for some reason.

Big Tim
04-07-2012, 06:56 PM
I did get a response from AA tech saying that it should work for the 20vt but prob not for the 17ah. He said to extrapolate from the 2200 data for the vt turbo and came up with 18 gr 2015 which is what hillbilly said he used. I'm hoping to try it in a few days, I'll post my results.

HillbillySniper
04-07-2012, 09:24 PM
18 gr of AA 2015 will work in the 20 Vartarg. May be able to go a little hotter. Start with 18 and work up.

xring
04-07-2012, 11:33 PM
I think there were 2 or 3 iterations in AA2015 Powder over the years . I have had excellent results with the original version AA2015 BR when used in a 223 with 40 or 50 Gr. Vmaxes and still have some of it . I remember someone a few years back commenting on the second version and saying the speed was slightly different as were near Max. Loads . For small Cases , I might be cautious and work up Loads depending on what variety of 2015 you have .

Big Tim
04-07-2012, 11:50 PM
Thanks for the heads up, the version I have is new production within the last year or so.

HillbillySniper
04-08-2012, 04:07 AM
Mine is the new 2015 so 18 is fine to start with in the 20 Vartarg.

Eddie Harren
04-08-2012, 12:08 PM
I used it for about 10 years in a shortened 308 case for Hunter class BR. It always, regardless of lot #, seemed to prefer cooler temps. When the Temp/Hum went up the charge had to come down. I tried it again when I built my 20-222. Shot great until the temp went up. Finally settled on H4198.

vlcakc
04-08-2012, 05:15 PM
The original AA2015 BR was my "go to" powder for the 17M4. Shot well under 1/2" groups when I did my part with 25 gr Hornady HP moly (usually in the 3's). Can't say how the later versions of the powder will work. Understand there is a new version just out that is made in Canada and may be similar to the original. Hope to give it a try soon. Vic

montdoug
04-08-2012, 10:03 PM
Mine is the original 2015BR that I bought not long after it came out (that's an additional reason I want to use it up). I called AA and talked to a tech a while back and was told the data is interchangeable with the older and new version but I still start way low and and work up slow. If there were 3 versions I'm unaware of it and if there are differences at all between versions IMO that's a poor way to win the hearts and minds :(.
vlcakc did you happen to chrono that .17MachIV 25 grain load?

vlcakc
04-09-2012, 01:02 AM
Montdoug: It's been a while and I don't remember if the 2015 BR 17M4 load was chrono'd or not. I'll check to see if any of my old records are still around. It shot so much more accurately than any of the other powders tried, I may have just loaded it and not bothered. I don't have any hard information on the various versions/suppliers of AA 2015, AA 2015 BR or XMR 2015, but hey this is the internet and rumors and misinformation are the way of life here aren't they? So here goes: I believe the original 2015 BR was made in Israel and may have been mil surplus. It also has been made in other plants around the world at various times, although the newer versions never caught on with the short range benchresters like the original did. Please, if anyone has real hard info on the subject, post it here for our edification. Vic

Vartarg
05-04-2012, 04:26 PM
After reading the thread, I loaded 25 rounds with AA2015 and took them for my range session Wednesday. I was shooting 32gr NBTs in Win brass with Rem 7 1/2BR primers.

I started at 17.6 and went up in .2gr increments to 18.4gr. I wasn't impressed....not saying it won't work for someone else, but the accuracy was average too poor, and the velocity was below par for my rifle using RL-7 or H4198.

Best group was .60 at 17.8gr avg velocity of 3216, ES 44, SD 19. As the velocity increased, the groups increased as well. Best group the same day with RL7 had a velocity of 3554

Just my experience....YMMV.

George

Big Tim
05-04-2012, 06:53 PM
I have been trying every powder I could to get the 527 20VT that I got from a member here to shoot worth beans. Switched from Vmax to blitzkings and what a difference! I think I could load used coffee grounds behind the BK and still shoot a half inch.