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Mntngoat
03-07-2008, 06:43 PM
Can anyone fills me in on what models these were available with and what calibers?

ML

GreatWaputi
03-07-2008, 08:56 PM
.17 Rem., .222 Rem., .222 Rem. Mag., .and 223 Rem.

Rick in Oregon
03-07-2008, 09:06 PM
Sako Vixen = Model L461

Getting harder to find, and getting more expensive every year.....

Mntngoat
03-07-2008, 09:07 PM
Thanks I'm told it is a S491 action in 22PPC and another is A-1 action PPC action in 22 PPC both with heavy barrels and wood stocks. Can anyone shed any light on the A- 1 actions?

ML

Rick in Oregon
03-07-2008, 09:41 PM
On the Vixen, it was available in standard Sporter, Deluxe Sporter, Mannlicher-type carbine, and heavy barrel varmint models.

My M75 Varmint in 204 is on their A1 action, so as far as I know, it is still current (Model 85 too?) as their shortest/smallest action size.

Mntngoat
03-07-2008, 10:03 PM
Does this help any?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/Mntngoat/Firearms/93a3c58e.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/Mntngoat/Firearms/09a5f8cb.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/Mntngoat/Firearms/c354ca8d.jpg


ML

Chuck Miller
03-07-2008, 10:10 PM
the PPC's were introduced on the L461 Vixen's and continued into the A1 series and on. A1's are easy to identify from the L461 with their slanted cocking piece on the bolt and restyled bottom metal, Bolt OD is the same and they use the same bolt guide for cleaning. I've seen several later numbered L461's with the newer style bottom metal, not sure if it was just a change introduced at the end of the L461 run or what. I just sold a A1 6ppc Sporter that had the original box and paperwork and was labeled a Vixen on the paperwork only, action was stamped A1. Everyone I know refers to the L461's as the Vixen and the AI as just the A1. Dovetails for scope mounting are the same, stock shape and finish are different and I've seen both L461's and A1's with the target triggers with holes in the guards for adjustment. In the circles I run in the A1 is considered the better of the 2 and more desirable for customizing as it has a sleeker look when finished and it usually brings more in resale. I like them all and have several in all flavors, L46, L461, A1, A2,
L491, L579, and L61R, and oh yea a mdl 75 in 6PPC. They're kinda like friends, ya can't have too many. The one in the pic is a A1 and being in 22ppc is more desirable than the 6ppc from a collectors standpoint.

Fireball
03-07-2008, 10:18 PM
Michael, the PPCs came from the factory in three different action types, the A1, S491, and the 75.

Of the three the S491 is the sweet spot for Sako PPCs in my opinion.

The A1's bolt was too small for the PPC case and you couldn't run the pressures required to get the most out of the well made brass. The A1s came in single shot Varminters as well as sporter repeaters. I haven't ever seen a Varminter repeater in the PPCs and I don't think they ever offered it.

The 75 was too large for the case using a .243 Winchester sized action and was limited to a repeater model. It had that funky lockout on the bolt shroud as well.

The S491 was perfectly scaled to get the most out of the case. These were only offered as single shot Varminters in 22PPC and 6PPC. There may have been some S491 PPC repeaters but I don't remember ever seeing one.

Hope this helps.

TinMan
03-07-2008, 10:20 PM
I believe the 22PPC like your picture was available as a repeater and as a single shot action. I know the L461 was available as both. I think the single shots in L461 was also called a Benchrest model and I think only sold as actions, not complete rifles. I have also seen some PPC's on a 5 series action, maybe a 591 or 593, but but I am no authority. Kevin Gullette might be able to help shed some light ont he L461/Vixen models when he sees this thread. Nice rifle, by the way. I saw a HB L461 in 222 this passed weekend, probably should have bought it. A-1 is the newer model designation than L461, in case you did not know that.

Fireball
03-07-2008, 10:21 PM
Interesting Chuck mentioned the L461 chambered in the PPC cases. I don't recall ever seeing one.

Mntngoat
03-07-2008, 11:01 PM
The gentleman that has owns these says the matte finished rifle is a S491 action.

Michael

Kevin Gullette
03-08-2008, 04:20 AM
......As far as I know, the L461 action was never offered from the factory with a PPC boltface. As for the AI action, I have two PPC single-shots, and one PPC repeater(built this one into a 17PPC-VLD coyote rifle....long ago.)

Below is a pic of a factory L461 single-shot action. I used this action to build a 17-222 PD rifle.

Hope this helps.....

Kevin
http://outcast.homeunix.org/uploads/SakoL461SSaction.jpg

foxhunter
03-08-2008, 06:36 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAKO
go to bottom for model list and years introduced.

rstreich
03-08-2008, 06:42 AM
A few more tidbits: The 491 uses the Tikka trigger. Finish isn't considered as nice as the others. I've only had one 491--a PPC repeater action in the white currently sitting in a drawer.

Some of the late L461s have the enclosed cocking piece.

Chronologically it was L46, L461, A-1, 491, 75, ....

The later A1 varmint stock (like the one in the picture) is hands down my favorite carry style varmint stock. It's only slightly different than a 75.

If you don't take both, I'll take the other.

Ladobe
03-08-2008, 07:03 PM
Here's a L461 and a couple of A1's ( I really need to take better pictures of them though instead of these old ones taken by the sellers I bought them from).

L461 222 Remington repeater with a Douglas barrel and custom thumbhole stock.
http://wildcalls2k.com/1sau/sakol461.jpg

L461/A1 22PPC heavy barrel single shot with a low serial number that is still new in the box with all papers/sleeve.
http://wildcalls2k.com/1sau/sakoa122b.jpg

A1 Barnes/Herrett custom pistol in 6TCU with a hand made from scratch trigger group and tapered octagon barrel and exhibition stock. Over 250 man hours went into building it in the early 90's, and it's one of only 37 ever made in this design.
http://wildcalls2k.com/1sau/sakoa1a.jpg

L.

georgeld
03-12-2008, 05:05 AM
I read: Low numbers, what number range would that be??

The only one I have is: L461 Ser: 790xx
I bought it new in Aug 1972 in Germany and shipped it home while in the Army. Am assuming this would be a low number.
Thank you,

Kevin Gullette
03-12-2008, 06:45 AM
.....The lowest L461 serial number I've owned was 59xxx.

I'll check some of my O'Brien Rifles records sometime.

Kevin

Ladobe
03-12-2008, 08:24 AM
The L461 custom I posted a picture of above isn't as low at #112XXX.

I don't know how many of the L461/A1PPC actions they made, but the NIB 22PPC I also pictured above at #2XX I think could be called pretty low.

The custom Barnes/Herrett pistol also shown was built from an A1 action in the white that is in the 183XXX range.

L.

Mntngoat
03-12-2008, 03:32 PM
Heres the picture of the A-1 in 22PPC I recently purchased. I
could not afford the S491!
Is this a low serial number?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/Mntngoat/Firearms/93a3c58e.jpg


ML

rkfinn
03-12-2008, 04:12 PM
Sako also chambered the Vixen in the 7.62 X 39, the Russian AK-47 round, and I had seen one chambered for the 22 Russian, the parent case of the 22 PPC. Sako did a bunch of experiments with a lot of their models, including a Sako Finnwolf lever action in the 300 Win Mag. Most were not produced, or at least not imported to United States.

Fireball
03-12-2008, 06:46 PM
Michael, Sako didn't make a lot of the PPCs on the A1 action because they introduced the PPCs as a factory chambering during the later stages of the A1's life. The real numbers came when they switched to the S491. I think the highest number I have seen on the A1s is in the 300s. Like I mentioned before, most folks, especially the benchrest crowd, considered the A1 too small for the PPC case and thus you saw a lot of them on the used market pretty quickly.

Mntngoat
03-12-2008, 07:07 PM
I have some factory Norma 22PPC brass that holds less capacity than the Lapua .220R brass that I'd assume will be fine for this little rifle. Should make for a fun addition. need to find some .224" bullets as I don't own any 22 center fires.

Will I ruin any collector value by bedding the walnut stock?

ML

Fireball
03-12-2008, 08:43 PM
Not much collector value to ruin Michael, but there are some potential future buyers out there that will regret it if you do bed it. I would try shooting it first. I never bedded my three Sako PPCs. All have been sold or traded and it probably helped a little that I hadn't bedded them. All three shot great but a custom action in a good stock shoots better obviously. As for the round the 22 PPC is fun. But the 20 PPC is funner. :D

Fireball
03-12-2008, 08:45 PM
Also be aware that the Norma 22 PPC brass doesn't fit the Sako chambers well. There is a high likelyhood of gas flow back along the case resulting in a sooty case upon extraction. I would use the Lapua 220 Russian if this happens to you or use Sako PPC USA cases.

rkfinn
03-12-2008, 08:55 PM
More information if anyone is interested, the Vixen L461 was also chambered for the 7.62X39, and the 220 Russian, both are the parent cases for the 22 and 6 mm PPC. I seen the L 461 in both chamberings.

georgeld
03-13-2008, 08:37 AM
Just for the hell of it. I've also got a Finnbear in 7mmag.
A most beautiful stock. Looks like 1/4" thick clear finish on it.
Bought it about the same time in Aug '72 and shipped it home from Germany.
This is my most valuable gun in $$. not a favorite to hunt with though it's made only one shot kills the four game shots.

Rickster
03-13-2008, 07:37 PM
The more you like the 222/223 sized cartridges the more you're apt to like Vixen/L-461 actions. To me, they are the perfect action for these varmint buster rounds. Quality, craftsmanship, and looks rolled into one. Sako barrels have a well deserved rep for accuracy as well. My only gripe is that Sakos are a bit pricey. I guess it's like they say, if you want sweet music you have to pay the fiddler....