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Old 02-11-2015, 08:08 PM
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nvreloader, since you are pretty quick at posting ql data and seem to have a pretty good understanding of it, would you mind re-doing the win296 data with an 18 inch barrel please. I took off the 22 inch barrel and am rechambering a 18 incher. I am curious to see velocity difference between the 2. I would think that at 22 inches it may actually be slowing the bullet down.
maybe run that data with the 18 vs 22 inch barrel.
thanks joe
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Old 02-11-2015, 08:39 PM
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Joejo,

296 powder 35gr V max,

2700fps for the 18" bbl,
2818fps for the 22" bbl.

Same psi values for both loads.

Tia,
Don

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nvreloader, since you are pretty quick at posting ql data and seem to have a pretty good understanding of it, would you mind re-doing the win296 data with an 18 inch barrel please. I took off the 22 inch barrel and am rechambering a 18 incher. I am curious to see velocity difference between the 2. I would think that at 22 inches it may actually be slowing the bullet down.
maybe run that data with the 18 vs 22 inch barrel.
thanks joe
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Old 02-11-2015, 08:59 PM
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Kinda makes me wonder. With a 40gr bullet and Ramshot Enforcer (10.6gr) I was getting 3000fps on the nose from a 40gr vnax and 22" PacNor 3 groove.
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Old 02-11-2015, 09:58 PM
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Thanks Don! I don't think I have HS6 but I have Power Pistol that I think is close. I am now also wondering about true blue as well as enforcer. You really got me thinking now!!!
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Old 02-11-2015, 10:31 PM
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Here is a start,
Cartridge : .22 TCM
Bullet : .224, 35, Hornady V-MAX 22252
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.270 inch or 32.26 mm
Barrel Length : 5.0 inch or 127.0 mm
Powder : Alliant POWER PISTOL

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 58 5.94 1679 219 24021 11555 88.8 0.472
-09.0 58 6.01 1695 223 24534 11726 89.2 0.468
-08.0 59 6.07 1711 228 25055 11898 89.7 0.464
-07.0 60 6.14 1727 232 25583 12068 90.1 0.460
-06.0 60 6.20 1743 236 26119 12239 90.5 0.456
-05.0 61 6.27 1759 241 26663 12409 90.9 0.453
-04.0 61 6.34 1775 245 27214 12578 91.3 0.449
-03.0 62 6.40 1791 249 27774 12748 91.7 0.445
-02.0 63 6.47 1807 254 28342 12916 92.1 0.441
-01.0 63 6.53 1823 258 28917 13084 92.4 0.438
+00.0 64 6.60 1839 263 29501 13250 92.8 0.434 = suggested starting load
+01.0 65 6.67 1855 267 30093 13416 93.1 0.431
+02.0 65 6.73 1871 272 30693 13581 93.5 0.427
+03.0 66 6.80 1886 277 31302 13746 93.8 0.424
+04.0 67 6.86 1902 281 31919 13909 94.2 0.420
+05.0 67 6.93 1918 286 32544 14072 94.5 0.417 ! Near Maximum !

Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 64 6.60 1887 277 31432 13558 95.5 0.423
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 64 6.60 1787 248 27568 12846 89.5 0.456
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Cartridge : .22 TCM
Bullet : .224, 35, Hornady V-MAX 22252
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.270 inch or 32.26 mm
Barrel Length : 5.0 inch or 127.0 mm
Powder : Ramshot True Blue

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 45 5.94 1638 208 23946 10173 96.3 0.478
-09.0 45 6.01 1653 212 24457 10300 96.6 0.474
-08.0 46 6.07 1668 216 24976 10425 96.9 0.469
-07.0 46 6.14 1683 220 25502 10550 97.1 0.465
-06.0 47 6.20 1698 224 26035 10673 97.4 0.461
-05.0 47 6.27 1712 228 26576 10796 97.6 0.457
-04.0 48 6.34 1727 232 27124 10916 97.8 0.453
-03.0 48 6.40 1742 236 27680 11036 98.1 0.449
-02.0 49 6.47 1756 240 28244 11153 98.3 0.445
-01.0 49 6.53 1771 244 28815 11270 98.5 0.441
+00.0 50 6.60 1785 248 29393 11385 98.6 0.438= start load
+01.0 50 6.67 1800 252 29980 11498 98.8 0.434
+02.0 51 6.73 1814 256 30575 11610 99.0 0.430
+03.0 51 6.80 1828 260 31177 11720 99.1 0.427
+04.0 52 6.86 1842 264 31788 11829 99.3 0.423
+05.0 52 6.93 1856 268 32407 11936 99.4 0.420 ! Near Maximum !

Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 50 6.60 1822 258 31186 11408 99.7 0.427
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 50 6.60 1744 236 27578 11259 96.8 0.450
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Cartridge : .22 TCM
Bullet : .224, 35, Hornady V-MAX 22252
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.270 inch or 32.26 mm
Barrel Length : 5.0 inch or 127.0 mm
Powder : Ramshot Enforcer

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 68 9.09 1606 200 22217 11453 67.6 0.524
-09.0 69 9.19 1624 205 22783 11676 68.3 0.518
-08.0 70 9.29 1643 210 23363 11901 68.9 0.512
-07.0 71 9.39 1662 215 23958 12127 69.5 0.506
-06.0 72 9.49 1681 220 24568 12354 70.2 0.500
-05.0 72 9.60 1701 225 25194 12583 70.8 0.494
-04.0 73 9.70 1720 230 25836 12813 71.5 0.489
-03.0 74 9.80 1739 235 26494 13045 72.1 0.483
-02.0 75 9.90 1759 240 27169 13277 72.7 0.477
-01.0 75 10.00 1778 246 27861 13511 73.4 0.471
+00.0 76 10.10 1798 251 28571 13745 74.0 0.466
+01.0 77 10.20 1818 257 29299 13980 74.7 0.460
+02.0 78 10.30 1838 263 30044 14216 75.3 0.455
+03.0 78 10.40 1858 268 30809 14453 75.9 0.449
+04.0 79 10.50 1878 274 31592 14691 76.5 0.444
+05.0 80 10.61 1898 280 32396 14928 77.1 0.439 ! Near Maximum !

Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 76 10.10 1869 271 31173 14541 78.6 0.440
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 76 10.10 1724 231 26050 12874 69.1 0.484

Still researching loads,
Tia,
Don
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Old 02-12-2015, 01:13 AM
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Well after taking a quick once over on all this data it appears that my starting loads were all very conservative.

it also looks like with my 5" barrel that true blue might be better with the 35 gr bullets while hs6 is better with the 45 gr bullets? (If I'm looking at correctly)

Pretty interesting stuff, too bad the forum scrambles the data a little bit.

Don, you have me missing QL and QD!!!! Thanks again for your time, I will definitely be paying now!!!
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Old 02-12-2015, 01:25 AM
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here is the thread I mentioned. some load info there.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...e-Range-Report
Finally got around to reading all your awesome info! Thanks
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Old 02-12-2015, 03:32 AM
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GL,

Once you get the hang of QL, you can compare a KNOWN ACCURATE load against other powder spec's and find similar loads for the other powders you may want to check out etc, sure saves on powder/primers and bullets + the time building/researching loads etc.

And after you found a good load for whatever case, you can add this info into QL with ALL your spec's etc, and this also includes the cases spec's for your weapon etc.

The more I use it and get results back from shooting etc, you can further refine everything to that certain firearm/load and the chrono spec's will jive almost to a "T", to the load, including temp changes when shooting.

Well worth the $$ IMHO, and about couple of yrs there is a new updated program with all the latest cases/powders etc for less than $20. I have the latest program comning and hopefully it will have all these new powders Guys are talking about.

With QD you can form/make your own case designs etc, then check this info with QL to see the results, also RCBS Load has a good cartridge designing program I use a lot etc.

On the alignment of the info, copy and paste to your favorite program,
I use MS Word or Excell then line up all the columns with their headings and save the info to go into my reloading library etc.

There is a way to get or have everything stay aligned using QL etc, but I am NOT smart enough to figure it out, yet.

Check the amount of the powder burnt for your bbl length, this info tells a whole lot on how well the load will perform, any thing in the 85%+ range means the powder is working for that load amount/bullet weight/bbl length etc.

When you get QL, let me know and I'll show some of the short cut for entering load/case info etc.

More later,
Tia,
Don

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Well after taking a quick once over on all this data it appears that my starting loads were all very conservative.

it also looks like with my 5" barrel that true blue might be better with the 35 gr bullets while hs6 is better with the 45 gr bullets? (If I'm looking at correctly)

Pretty interesting stuff, too bad the forum scrambles the data a little bit.

Don, you have me missing QL and QD!!!! Thanks again for your time, I will definitely be paying now!!!
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Old 02-12-2015, 08:20 AM
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thank you Don that is a very well-written and good explanation of those two products. Years ago I had both on my computer and yes I still have data files on my PC from when I saved the quick design info. Unfortunately it's been so long and without seeing the program again I probably couldn't help you out there.

The thing that impressed me most about quick load was that a few of my own Wildcats were about right on the money with quick load data.

Looks like the 22 TCM from A 5 inch barrel is nothing more than a 22 mag LOL but it is a lot of fun to play with and a really neat case design that is super easy to form and go shoot!

Thanks for all that wonderful data it will certainly speed things up

Edit: I just got to thinking if you would like to have some of my old case designs I can get your email address and send my quick design files. I know this will work because I used to share the same files with another boardmember. Of course a newer version may not be compatible with my older files? I know that I had I 17 short mag and other really neat Wildcats in that file but I'm pretty sure my 17 Wenzl special came after my quick load/design days
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Old 02-15-2015, 10:09 PM
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Don, I'd be interested in seeing what QL has to say about 296 and the 40gr TCM bullet
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