slower quieter loads

[trotterlg]

To keep your misses from going any place, I think you really need to use a really light bullet, like a 17gr and shoot it really fast, or at least as fast as a full loaded 25gr in 17 hornet goes. With the proper powder it will take less energy to get the 17gr up to speed so I would say the muzzle blast will likely be quite a bit less, half the weight should take lots less energy to go the same speed. At first contact with most anything that thing will turn to dust. Larry

[rickiesrevenge]

I've used trailboss in my 17AH's. Shot a snow shoe hare with a 20gr VMAX at 65 yards. The bullet didn't exit and the rabbit fell over dead. When my buddy held it up he said that I must have scared it to death. When we skinned it there was a .17 caliber hole going in and the off side shoulder was bruised. I think I used 3.2 grains, but I'd have to check my notes.

Aaron

[Dean2]

Originally Posted by TinMan

A full 22 Hornet case of SR 4759 runs about 8.0gr if I remember right, and a 50gr bullet with 8.0gr clocks about 1500-1600fps. Trailboss is also a very large flake powder that can be troublesome to load in 17's.

Actually the flake in Trail Boss throws in a thrower REAL well and loads into 17 cailber necks no problem. I have loaded 17 FB with TB on the progressive with no powder bridging problems of any sort. The doughnut shape seems to flow much better than large stick powders.

[Tilleyman]

Not 17 AH but at least it will give you an indication of velocities in a similar case... 4.0gr TB was max for the 17 Hornet.

[wally bennett]

Originally Posted by Tilleyman

Not 17 AH but at least it will give you an indication of velocities in a similar case... 4.0gr TB was max for the 17 Hornet.

Thank you Tilleyman and all the others i will certainly try TB and keep you all informed.
Wally

[Alex]

My RCBS measure throws TB consistently very well. However my Harrell's often throws it short. Make sure your measure is consistent.

Alex

[wally bennett]

Originally Posted by Alex

My RCBS measure throws TB consistently very well. However my Harrell's often throws it short. Make sure your measure is consistent.

Alex

Just for experimental load,s i weigh every every one and worry about bulk loading if i get a good consistant load.
I know if i get a good load it will be a different point of inpact but I have one of them Ruger 77,s with the stuid two piece bolt (best thing Ruger ever did you can adjust your headspace with a shim) but the main thing is the dedicated rings that can be taken off and replaced without loss of zero so i already have a set of rings and a scope to put on for the new load.
Wally
There i go again counting my chickens before they are hatched LOL

[Daryl]

As with Alex and Dean - my measure (RCBS) throws very accurately with TB - and no trouble dumping it into .17AH cases. I've only used it for fireforming in those Dominion cases, and thus, 3.6gr. was a full case to the base of the bullet.

I do not know how well it will fire form a WW or RP case. I am however, VERY sure that less than 3.6gr.would be too low to do any forming with, the pressures being just to dang low. 3.8gr. would be much better, as I noted earlier, 3.6 does not form the cases as well as I'd like.

[rickiesrevenge]

http://www.saubier.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13661


http://www.saubier.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15593

[wally bennett]

Originally Posted by Daryl

As with Alex and Dean - my measure (RCBS) throws very accurately with TB - and no trouble dumping it into .17AH cases. I've only used it for fireforming in those Dominion cases, and thus, 3.6gr. was a full case to the base of the bullet.

I do not know how well it will fire form a WW or RP case. I am however, VERY sure that less than 3.6gr.would be too low to do any forming with, the pressures being just to dang low. 3.8gr. would be much better, as I noted earlier, 3.6 does not form the cases as well as I'd like.

All my cases are already formed so no problems there.
One of my concerns is if there is only a small load in a 17A/H case will i get "flash over" and incosistant results so just as an enquiry how much will say 3 grs of TB fill the case? I have 5 different cases i can use all with different capacities.
RWS 13.9 gr of H380 (used as a measuring medum only)
HDY 14.1gr
WW 14.2gr
PPU 14.5gr
R&P 15.3GR.
Wally