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Old 02-15-2009, 08:36 PM
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Default .222 brass tp 17rem?

Could I make .17rem brass out of .222 brass?

What's the steps, just neck it down?
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Old 02-15-2009, 09:01 PM
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Super Seal 110,
222 brass is too short. I have made it from 223 which comes out 0.050 short. Depending on your chamber the necks may need to be turned also. You can make them from 204 Ruger. Quite a bit of work. I usually push the shoulder back with a 222 die and then run them thru 17 Remington full length with the stem removed then turn necks. If you do it with the stem in, the thicker 223 brass will be hard to get out over the expander. Kenny

222=1.700
223=1.760
17 Rem=1.796
204=1850
222Mag=1850
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Old 02-16-2009, 01:59 PM
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Thanks for the answer.

Glad I didn't pick some of the .222 brass up.

I have played around with the .204 casings and made (5) into .17rem brass. I still need to trim them though. It's hard to make since I'm just using a FL .17rem die and putting .204 casings in and resizing. Prolly ruined 15 casings of the .204.

Pretty much the reason I was asking if I could use the .222 brass.

How easy is it to make it from the .204 brass, then bumping the shoulder back with the .222 FL die, then to .17rem? How many casings do you end up scraping out?

Mike
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Old 02-16-2009, 04:26 PM
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Thanks for the answer.

Glad I didn't pick some of the .222 brass up.

I have played around with the .204 casings and made (5) into .17rem brass. I still need to trim them though. It's hard to make since I'm just using a FL .17rem die and putting .204 casings in and resizing. Prolly ruined 15 casings of the .204.

Pretty much the reason I was asking if I could use the .222 brass.

How easy is it to make it from the .204 brass, then bumping the shoulder back with the .222 FL die, then to .17rem? How many casings do you end up scraping out?

Mike
Is there some logical reason you're doing this Midway has 17 Remington brass in stock?
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Old 02-16-2009, 06:26 PM
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Oleman is right. Buy 17 Remington brass. A lot depends on your full length die. Is it highly polished? Type and amount of lubricant no doubt make a difference also. Some brands of brass work better than others. Buy 17 Rem brass. Kenny
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Old 02-19-2009, 03:43 PM
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SuperSeal110--If you want to continue to use .204 Ruger brass and size it for your .17 Remington, I would suggest that you check out some of the special sizing dies that Redding has for you to use specifically for this purpose. I have resized some of my WW .204 Ruger brass for my .17 Remington and used the specialized Redding dies and a couple of bushings of smaller and smaller diameters to do the job. I know I have read posts on some of the boards where those fellows have not had to use specialized dies and have resized the .204 Ruger brass for their .17 Remingtons without a lot of trouble. I was getting lots of dents in the shoulder when I skipped some of the intermediate steps I use now.

The final product is FAR SUPERIOR to any of the Remington brass I have ever purchased over the counter. The last couple batches of brand new .17 Remington brass I purchased had neck thicknesses that measured under .00985" on one side on up to .0135" on the other. Out of the last bag of 100 .17 Rem casings I purchased I found only 1 casing that I could turn to get the necks at .00985 all the way around to fit in my .1945" tight-necked .17 Remington.

My Lilja barreled .17 Remington was chambered with a regular reamer and the neck diamter in that chamber is something like .201" to .202". Sizing WW .204 Ruger brass down to .17 Remington gives me loaded round necks that measure .198" in diameter. If you have lots of time, I'd say you would be making brass that was far superior to the junk factory .17 Remington brass I have recently purchased from Scheel's in the last three years.

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Old 02-19-2009, 08:59 PM
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I'm with a couple of other posters here... Buy some factory brass and enjoy the time shooting that otherwise you'll spend "re-inventing the wheel" of sorts..

I've shot 17 Rem rifles since the mid 1970's (factory and custom) and I have never used anything but factory Remington brass and have never had a problem of any kind.

Maybe I'm not smart enough to worry about and measure neck thicknesses and other extra trivia if a hunting rifle will shoot well with what I feed it. I went through a BR period in my life where accuracy was paramount, but in my hunting rifles 5 shots into less than an inch and better will suffice for anything I do. I've never owned a 17 Remington that was not capable of that using factory brass.

I'm not expecting nor do I want to spend the time to get BR accuracy out of a rifle that will be shot under field conditions. And that criteria has resulted in multitudes of dead PD's and numerous other animals in my hunting life time, and I don't believe I've ever missed an animal that BR tuned brass would have killed.

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Old 02-19-2009, 11:28 PM
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Super Seal 110,
222 brass is too short. I have made it from 223 which comes out 0.050 short.
What is the worst that can happen with cases that are this much shorter than trimmed length. I can see where erosion could occur, but as long as the overall length is there, and the neck tension is adequate, is every thing else a wash?
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Old 02-20-2009, 01:06 AM
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Steven, Most of my prairie dog loads for the 17 Remington are 223 which are 0.050 to 0.060 short. Most Mach IV chambers are 0.030 or more too long from the git go. I don't know if it hurts anything or not but it doesn't bother me. Kenny
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Old 02-20-2009, 01:36 AM
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Like Kenny said some chambers are probably cut on the long side but the one concern that comes to mind if shooting like a .050 short necks would be if some hard to remove fouling would occur in that area and then going back to shoot a longer case could create excessive pressure????

May not be realistic (I have never seen this issue) but none the less I have seen barrels with some very hard to remove fouling and depending on the clearance if you get some of that in this area and depending on your neck thickness it wouldn’t take much????
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