Posted by: Varmint Al ®
11/26/2001, 13:44:08
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Thanks for the email. I just called Fred Smith at Bullberry. I ordered a 17 HRM caliber Contender barrel 22" fullbull, stainless steel, bead blasted, drilled and tapped for a scope base. Can't wait for it to get here. Now I will need to find some of the new Hornady 17 HRM ammo.  Good Hunting from... Varmint Al
http://www.varmintal.com/ahunt.htm
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Posted by: Varmint Al ®
11/26/2001, 15:49:10
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Now, where can I find the ammo? Anyone know where Acru Sports is located? Seems like they have a big order in with Hornady for the 17 HMR. I am trying to put the link to the Hornady web page that shows the info on the new round. Good Hunting from... Varmint Al
http://www.varmintal.com/ahunt.htm
Related link: New Hornady 17 Hornady Magnum Rimfire
Modified by Varmint Al at Mon, Nov 26, 2001, 18:50:37
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Posted by: Varmint Al ®
11/27/2001, 10:26:03
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Here is a better quality picture of the ammo than on the Hornady web site where it is resized smaller.  Good Hunting from... Varmint Al
http://www.varmintal.com/ahunt.htm
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Posted by: Varmint Al ®
11/27/2001, 10:28:46
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This guy is not jumping up and down happy about the 17 HMR!  Good Hunting from... Varmint Al
http://www.varmintal.com/ahunt.htm
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Posted by: jim saubier
11/27/2001, 10:43:51
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I'll bet that you will have a blast with it out to 200 yards or more on the ground squirrels. What do you think of the ammo pricing?
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Posted by: Varmint Al ®
11/27/2001, 11:34:05
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The price seems a tad steep. But after it gets going, the discounters will get hold of it and I would suspect it will be about like the 22 WMR ammo in price of ~$6/box and even better on sales. Also if the 17 HMR catches on, there will be a lot of other manufactures. Capitalism will probably cut the price in half in a few years or sooner. Good Hunting from... Varmint Al
http://www.varmintal.com/ahunt.htm
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Posted by: Nailman1760
11/29/2001, 21:21:53
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www.acusport.com (for dealers only) Here try this.
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Posted by: John Mills
11/26/2001, 14:21:20
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Jim, I sure hope you are right about the 17HMR, but the 20gr. V-Max was advertised on Hornady's sight 2years before they were available on the market. There was a wholesaler a few years ago that sold primed cases as I rember in 10,000 lots, I'm still loking for the name however.
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Posted by: jim saubier
11/26/2001, 14:59:36
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That would be great. Dies could be made from the cases and you could do load development on them. I think that the beauty in this cartridge is that it will be cheap to shoot and you won't need to reload. Hopefully, it will be a great performer from the factory.
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Posted by: Drifter
11/26/2001, 15:01:20
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I have been hearing this buzz for some time about this caliber coming out and people are pretty fired up about it. I was just wondering why, couldn't a down loaded 17 AH match the ballistics with a much better bullet selection and reloadability? I guess I'm playing the devils advocate here, just wondering what you guys think.
see ya
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Posted by: jim saubier
11/26/2001, 16:00:52
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The advantages as I see them. Cheap shooting. Small case, low level of recoil, flat trajectory out to 200 yards. A way for the non-reloaders to experience the seventeen without the full-blown .17 Remington. The advantages of the .17 in a rimfire. Not really a comparison to the ackley hornet. My 10" ackley hornet will push a 20 grain bullet at 3200 fps. You could load it down to a point as you suggest. The good thing about reloading is that you have the versatility to tailor your load to suit your individual needs. There are a lot more people out there that enjoy shooting that don't reload than there are reloaders. And, I like the idea of having something that I can shoot at a cheap price that I don't ahve to reload. Just buy a box of shells and send the boy after a mess of squirrels. I also intend to use this gun for fall turkey, I think that it will make a fantastic light carry gun.
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Posted by: John Mills
11/26/2001, 18:21:03
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First let me apologize for the poor spelling in my first post, just posted and did not proof read. Terry Kopp, a Missouri gunsmith worked on the 17HMR at least 15 years ago and several gun magazines have done articles on it. At that point in time they were pulling bullets from the 22Mg and pouring out the powder, then necking the case, returning about 3/4 of the powder charge and seating a 25Gr. Horady bullet. If memory serves they were getting about 2800fps. I have tried to neck a few cases in the past and about 1 in 5 would ignite the primer, needless to say the proper tools were not used and my experiments didn't go far.
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Posted by: Nick B
11/26/2001, 22:07:39
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I just don't see where it could fit in. I doubt it would be good for small game, just too explosive. The .22 Mag seems to have everything covered for ranges out to 125 yds, and ammo is much cheaper and more diverse. The .17 HRM only starts to shine past 100 yds. For p-dogs, crows, gophers, woodchucks, etc, a .223 downloaded with Blue Dot would be my choice. I just can't get over that price, though. Cooper Arms even tried this back in the 80's and 90's with their .17 CCM, and that was reloadable and still failed. What would you, the average Joe, use this round for? I admit, the "coolness" factor is definitely there, but for someone on a budget, do you think it will succeed? Maybe I'll buy a box, just for collector's value if it's discontinued :-) Peace
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Posted by: D. Epperson ®
11/27/2001, 01:25:36
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I know a lot of people that spend more than that on good ACCURATE 22LR ammunition. If the 17 HMR turns out to be a flash in the pan it will be because of poor support from the rifle and ammo makers, resulting in poor accuracy. That was one of the problems with the 5mm magnum. You had 2 guns from the same maker (3 if you count the really rare single shot, or one if you consider they were all the same action) and what were the bullet choices? Granted there is a similar situation here, the difference is this. Hornady pretty much knows their stuff in ammo, well bullets anyway. And it would be no step for a stepper for OSSI or another custom reloading house (That might not have been around then) to fill in any major gaps we curious folks might identify. In addition there are all sorts of additional bullet designs and makers to chose from today where back then they were much more limited, particularly in the 17 caliber arena. The other advantage is that (At least on the Ruger 77/22) if you don't like it, or if it dosn't pan out, LOL, you're only a drop in barrel away from a 22mag. and back in the feild shooting again. Several factors make this a much more risk free proposition today than it was then. Lot's of people have said that the 5mm Mag and the 17CCM may just have been ahead of their time. Me? I've got my eye on the 17LR from Aguila (Who is also a strong suspect for a 2nd source of 17Mag by the way), that and a 17 barrel for the Calico M-100. Can we say needle gun?
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Posted by: jim saubier
11/27/2001, 07:41:37
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I agree with Mr. Epperson on all of his points. I also want to add that it costs as much for you to reload quality ammo as it will to buy this stuff. ~ $10.00 per 50 is cheap any way you figure it. I don't comprehend why people are thinking that this is expensive to shoot. This is downright cheap. I was thinking about this a little more this morning on the way to work, this will be the perfect rifle/caliber for shooting woodchucks in areas that are developed to a point that centerfires are not an option. The v-max bullet will not exit a chuck, shouldn't ricochet, and will be extremely quiet. Out to 200 yards this thing is super flat shooting, which is the furthest range that I would intend to use it. The 22 mag is dropping like a lead balloon past 150 yards. And for good .22 mag ammo, the price is darn close. I think that with the support of the gun manufacturers and with the premium ammo available - this will be a keeper.
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Posted by: Drifter
11/27/2001, 16:41:41
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When is this offering going to be available , both rifles and ammo, any word? I have been thinking about a 17AH for a while and a 22 mag, maby this will make a less expensive substitute for the AH, need something on the mello side between a .22 rf and my 17 m4. Maby ...another marlin would be interesting. is it going to be in mod 25 flavor? I hope.
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Posted by: D. Epperson ®
11/27/2001, 16:59:40
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Seems a gun shop in Yuma AZ is advertising of both in stock. But I have not called to verify that yet. I mentioned something about it with a link to Chiefe Dave over on RimfireCentral.com 10/22 Magnum Forum I think.
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Posted by: corbin shell
11/28/2001, 08:55:23
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Jim,
I have always wanted a small caliber double rifle. While at the SCI show two years ago in Reno there was a really exicuted double rifle in 22RF. Peter Hoffer was the builder. A cool $250,000 and it could be yours. A double in 17rf would be great. I have a piece of exibition Turkish burl walnut not all I need is the action. If a double is not in the works then maybe a miniture Farquison with quarter rib etc.
Corbin
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Posted by: Nick B
11/29/2001, 01:47:24
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I was told this by a FFL dealer on www.varminthunters.com. He said he found them offered in .17 HMR on www.acusport.com (under the dealer's section, though). At first I wasn't sure, but when I thought about it, it may make a lot of sense. Marlin purchased NEF a year ago, correct? Since Marlin is offering their 880 series rifles in .17 HMR, it would be no problem to fit .17 HMR barrels to their NEF rimfire frames (not centerfire frames, though). I could buy one around here in .22 LR for $125, and send it back to have a .17 HMR barrel and free trigger job as well. Total cost should be under $100 for a new barrel, 3.5 lb trigger and shipping. Interesting :-)
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Posted by: jim saubier
11/30/2001, 08:58:28
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and it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't offer it at some point. BUT, I doubt that it will be offered initially. I wasn't aware that they offered the Handirifle in a rimfire either.
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Posted by: jim saubier
12/03/2001, 11:07:58
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It will be offered in February time frame.
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