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Its a Hebee?
I began my quest as most all of us do, in search of a new
gun. I have a passion about the small caliber stuff, .17 in
particular. I already had a .17 Remington, and was looking
at something a little smaller to push the 20-22-grain bullets
efficiently. While the Mach IV is very popular and much easier
to get information on I wanted something a little different
but close in performance, so I chose the .17 Hebee. Rather
than telling some glorious statistics and deductive reasoning
about why I chose the Hebee, Ill default to the truth I
wanted to be able to say, "Its a .17 Hebee," while
at the range.
The .17 Hebee was developed by Dennis Hrusosky a number of
years ago as an improved version of the .17 Ackley Bee. The
Hebee has a shorter neck and longer body, which gives it more
powder capacity. The Hebee is based on the .218 Bee, a rimmed
case. The rimmed case lends itself to the single shot Encore
action. The rimmed cases are thought to be stronger in the
case head area, making loose primer pockets nearly extinct.
Shown in Figure 1 are the cases in order from left to right:
.17 Ackley Hornet, .17 Ackley Bee, .17 Hebee, .17 Mach IV,
and .17 Remington.

I commissioned Fred Smith of Bullberry to make the barrel,
and Woodsmith Inc. to make the stock set, based primarily
on reputation as this was to be my first Bullberry purchase.
I also ordered the Bullberry double end forming die and a
Redding full length die set. This was to be my first experience
with the double end forming die, and I had no idea what it
would look like. Redding also makes forming dies for the Hebee,
but I chose to use the Bullberry version, as I could use this
forming die for other .17 caliber projects in the future.
At this point I had barrel, stock set, and dies all ordered,
but I still had to get some brass, bullets, case holder, and
other miscellaneous stuff required for a .17. Another call
to Todd Kindler at the Woodchuck Den was all that was needed
to get the stuff en route. One thing that continues
to astonish me is Todds ability to have everything that I
need in stock and ready to ship either he carries a large
inventory or I am extremely lucky. Todd had the Wilson case
holder (.17 Hebee) in stock, the flash hole deburrer, and
the bore guide. Todd is also a great source of information
and is willing to take the time to talk to you about your
project. He has helped me since the beginning when reloading
for my .17 Remington.
I already had Todds "Sensational Seventeens" compilation,
so I was familiar with the expected ballistics of the Hebee.
Based on case capacity and desired velocities, I chose the
19 22-grain bullet weights. I was hoping to push the 19-grain
bullets at 3900 fps, and the 22-grain bullets at 3700 fps.
I have had great success with the Starke bullets, so after
speaking with Clint Starke, a box of 20-grain RPVBs were
on the way. I rounded out my bullet selection with James Calhoon
19-grain and 22-grain double hollow points, Hornady 20-grain
V-maxes, and Berger 22-grain MEFs. There are many more .17
caliber bullets made, but I chose these based on previous
success. I would also like to try some of the Kindler 23-grain
boattails in the near future.
When dealing with any wildcat, determining which powder is
suitable or even preferred can become a challenge. I chose
to work with both Vihtavouri N130 and Reloder 7 powders based
on load data in Sensational Seventeen manual and Dick Saunders
".17 Caliber Shooting" manual. These were the sources
of information that I had available and felt most comfortable
with. I intend to try some Accurate Arms 2200 powder in the
future as James Calhoon recommended it as his first choice,
but it only comes in 8-lb. kegs and Maryland only allows purchase
of 4-lbs per day of powder.
Another great way to get information on a specific caliber
is on the Internet especially www.varminthunters.com
on the Go Go Varmint Go message board. This is a great place
to ask questions regarding the small caliber stuff, as well
as reloading questions. I can post a question on the .17 Hebee
and get responses from others that either currently load for
or have loaded for in the past.
Two packages arrived on the door step brass, bullets, forming
die, and Redding full length die set. I now had everything
needed to begin the case forming process. I found directions
with my Bullberry double end forming die. In something of
a new concept for me, I decided to read the directions, since
they were on one half sheet of paper, and numbered 1-4.

The forming die (See Figure 2) is threaded to fit in my reloading
press and is stamped on each end with 1 or 2. One problem
that I found when using the Bullberry double end forming die
was that there was no nut on the die and the thread-slop allowed
the die to wiggle while in the press I added a nut from
one of my other die sets to alleviate this problem. I also
felt the need to polish the die, as there were tooling marks
from the machining process as evidenced by the scrape marks
on my case necks. Im not sure if either of these things would
have affected performance, but I felt like doing them. I formed
approximately 50 rounds before polishing the forming die,
and had no detectable problems, but have gotten in the practice
of polishing all of my dies using Flitz Metal Polish.
The case-forming steps are as follows:
- Chamfer inside and outside of case mouth.
- Lube the case neck and shoulder area.
- Run through Side 1 of the forming die.
- Run through Side 2 of the forming die.
- Use Redding FL die to complete the neck.
Note: Be sure to apply adequate lube between steps, otherwise
a stuck case may result. Figure 3 shows the results from each
forming step.
As the cases are sized through the 3 dies the brass becomes
work hardened, and annealing is necessary to return the neck
and shoulder area of the brass to the dead soft condition.
The annealing should be done before fireforming to prevent
splitting of the case neck and to aid in the expansion of
the case during fireforming.
The case head must not be annealed, as it will become too
soft and could rupture during firing. To aid in the annealing
process, I made a case holder to act as a heat sink while
I rotate the brass in the flame. My case holder looks something
like the one that came with the Wilson case trimmer that I
use. I machined it with same taper as the case so it makes
good contact, improving heat transfer. The case holder is
placed into a machined aluminum device that is held in a drill.
This contraption worked very well, and I can use it for other
case sizes in the future, just by machining new case holders.
I used three of them for the Hebee, so that I could keep going
while they cooled down.
Once the case is brought up to temperature, it is dunked
into water for quenching. The cases should not be trimmed
until after fireforming, as they will stretch when they are
fireformed and resized. The cases are now ready to have the
flash hole deburred, using a special tool I obtained from
the Woodchuck Den, and the primer pocket squared.
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Figure
4 shows the Encore with Bullberry stock set and 20"
full bull bullberry barrel in .17 Hebee (try saying
that 10 times).
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Figure 4 shows the Encore with Bullberry stock set, and 20"
full bull bullberry barrel in .17 Hebee (try saying that 10
times). The fit and finish of the stock set are excellent,
and the quality of the wood is breathtaking. A picture just
cant do this wood justice. The 2" wide target style
forearm matches the stock beautifully. The Swift 6-18X 44
scope is mounted in Burris Zee rings on a Weaver style base.
I need to take a moment to give praise to the Swift scope.
A local gun shop (Mallins Guns) that I buy some of my reloading
supplies from is a Swift dealer. I never owned a Swift scope
before, but I tried a couple and was impressed by the warranty
and optical quality. I needed a good scope for my Hebee project,
so I decided to try the Swift. I am delighted with its lens
quality, light transmission, and tracking. The fine cross
hairs are great for shooting at small targets at long distances.
The field of view is clear all the way out to the edges throughout
the power range of the scope. I have no problem seeing the
tiny holes at 100 yards. The target knobs are big and I get
distinct clicks when adjusting. I have raised and lowered
the elevation with the target knobs and changed the right
and left windage a number of times. The point of impact returns
to zero on all occasions. The price of these scopes was another
pleasant surprise, and overall I consider it a very good deal.
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Figure
5. One of the fireforming targets.
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For fireforming, I used a reduced powder charge (13grains)
of Reloder 7, and a 25-grain Hornady hollow point. I didnt
intend to use 25-grain bullets in this cartridge, but the
heavier bullet helps to ensure that the case is formed fully
during fireforming. There are other methods of fireforming,
but this one was successful for me, and the fireforming loads
actually performed very well, and I used them also to break-in
the new barrel.
I first loaded one round with the reduced load and fired
it to see if it would blow out the shoulder completely. I
seated the bullet to just touch the lands. It worked, so I
loaded 50 prepped cases. I only had 50 Hornady 25-grain HPs
left, so I stopped loading when I ran out.
I used the first 13 rounds to break in the barrel and sight
in the scope, cleaning after each shot. Then I began the sequence
of 1 fouler out of the clean barrel, then 5 shots for the
group, then clean after each group.
I shot 6 groups at 100 yards using the Hornadys with an average
group size of .581". The largest group was .687",
and the smallest was .436". I loaded the rest of the
fireforming loads with 25-grain Bergers, just because those
were what I had on hand. I shot some groups using these and
had a best of .311" and a worst of .856" at 100
yards. Seen in Figure 5 is a group shot while fireforming.
I shot a few over a chronograph to determine the velocity
of these loads as well, and got an average of 3,290 fps.
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Various bullets tried.
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I was very pleased with these groups and had high hopes for
the load development. I did lose one case in the fireforming
process due to a split shoulder. The barrel cleaned up with
a few wet patches of Shooters Choice after each group. I
used Sweets to remove any copper after my shooting session
and was pleased at the very small amount of copper that was
present. It was nothing like cleaning my factory barrel .17
Remington.
One problem that I ran into was cleaning a 20" barrel
with a 38" cleaning rod. It was very awkward using such
a long rod for such a short barrel. I had some difficulty
finding a short enough rod, but I found that Pro-Shot makes
a 22.5" rod in .17 caliber. This is just what the doctor
ordered for us .17 caliber shooters with 19 20 inch TC barrels.
Including the supplied brass spear point jag, the cleaning
rod cost $19.99.
After fireforming, prior to load development, some additional
case preparation is necessary. I started by trimming the cases
to length using my Wilson case trimmer which holds the case
perfectly perpendicular to the cutter head. I read in my "Sensational
Seventeen Manual" that the trim to length was supposed
to be 1.355 but I am pretty sure it was a misprint. I consulted
my Lymans 47th loading manual for the .218 Bee
and the trim to length was 1.335". I also measured all
of my cases and had none even close to the 1.355. With the
already short neck of the Hebee, I trimmed as little as possible
to get all of the cases the same, which ended up being very
close to 1.335".
Once all of the cases were trimmed to length, I used my brand
new Forster outside neck turning tool. This is a compact hand
tool, which is exactly what I want for case preparation. I
enjoy taking my case preparation tools away from the bench,
so I appreciate the portability. The other impressive feature
of this tool is the micrometer adjustment knob with .001 index
marks that allow it to be set to within half-a-thousandth
of an inch. The Forster uses a carbide cutter to do the work.
Carbide isnt affected as much by temperature as high-speed
steel, and remains sharp longer. I am not going to detail
the importance of neck turning, but I will just state that
I feel it is worth my time investment.
I have included tables showing loading parameters, group
diameters, and some analyses of the distribution of impacts.
In addition to the familiar group diameter, I like to measure
the horizontal and vertical coordinates of each impact. Then
I can enter them in a spreadsheet that computes the center
of impact and the horizontal and vertical standard deviation
(SD) of each group. This way each hit can be analyzed separately
for horizontal and vertical spread. Fliers can be defined
quantitatively, and usually a flier is only out in one direction
or the other. The criteria I used for a flier was that it
must be more than three times as far from the center of impact
as the SD of the other 4 hits. In a normal distribution, 99.96%
would be found within 3 SD of the center. Another benefit
of the spreadsheet is that I can print out "virtual"
targets for each group or put several groups on one target.
Load development started with Vihtavouri n130 powder and
Starke 20-grain bullets. I adjusted the seating depth so that
the bullets were just short of the lands. I loaded up starting
at 13.5-grains and increasing in 0.3-grain increments up to
15.8 grains of n130 without any significant pressure signs.
This combination proved to be very accurate with some very
good groups. See Table 1.
Table 1. Fireforming
Loads
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GP
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BULLETS
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B-WT.
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POWDER
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P-WT.
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NO. IN GROUP
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CORRECTED SD
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DIA.
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REMARKS
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HORIZ.
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VERT.
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HORIZ.
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VERT.
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1
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HHP
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25
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R-7
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13.0
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5
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5
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0.277
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0.223
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0.625
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Fireforming load; 72 F; light wind.
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2
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HHP
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25
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R-7
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13.0
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5
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5
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0.192
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0.093
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0.436
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3
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HHP
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25
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R-7
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13.0
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5
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5
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0.182
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0.192
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0.575
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4
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HHP
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25
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R-7
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13.0
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4
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3
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0.066
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0.097
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0.638
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5
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HHP
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25
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R-7
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13.0
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5
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4
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0.218
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0.046
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0.525
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6
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HHP
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25
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R-7
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13.0
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5
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5
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0.288
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0.119
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0.687
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7
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Berger
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25
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R-7
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13.0
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4
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4
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0.104
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0.308
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0.757
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3290 fps
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8
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Berger
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25
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R-7
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13.0
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5
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5
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0.319
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0.243
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0.928
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9
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Berger
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25
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R-7
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13.0
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4
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4
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0.059
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0.245
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0.554
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10
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Berger
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25
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R-7
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13.0
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5
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5
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0.167
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0.19
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0.509
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11
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Berger
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25
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R-7
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13.0
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5
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4
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0.122
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0.021
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0.311
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12
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Berger
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25
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R-7
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13.0
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5
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5
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0.085
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0.259
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0.644
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13
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Berger
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25
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R-7
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13.0
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5
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5
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0.172
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0.328
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0.871
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I then switched to Reloder 7 and loaded up to a maximum of
15.4 with the 20-grain Starkes. I had some primer cratering
with the Starkes at this level but no ruptured primers or
sticky extraction. The Starke 20-grain bullets proved to be
great with either of the two powders, with some of the groups
being in the .3 - .4 inch range. I was unable to get a chrono
reading on the Starkes with the n130, but got a velocity of
3884 fps with 15.4 grains of the Reloder 7. See Table 2.
Table 2. Starke
20-Grain Bullet Loads
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GP
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BULLETS
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B-WT.
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POWDER
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P-WT.
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NO. IN GROUP
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CORRECTED SD
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DIA.
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REMARKS
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HORIZ.
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VERT.
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HORIZ.
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VERT.
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25
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Starke
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20
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n130
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13.8
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4
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4
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0.062
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0.167
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0.672
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70 F, No Wind.
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26
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Starke
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20
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n130
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14.0
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5
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5
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0.272
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0.052
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0.764
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27
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Starke
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20
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n130
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14.3
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5
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4
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0.29
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0.077
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0.760
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28
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Starke
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20
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n130
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14.7
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5
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5
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0.309
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0.263
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0.796
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29
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Starke
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20
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n130
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15.0
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5
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5
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0.153
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0.22
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0.611
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14
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Starke
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20
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n130
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15.2
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5
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5
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0.248
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0.264
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0.754
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20
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Starke
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20
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n130
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15.2
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5
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5
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0.128
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0.747
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1.906
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30
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Starke
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20
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n130
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15.2
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4
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4
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0.142
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0.206
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0.964
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23
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Starke
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20
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n130
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15.5
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5
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5
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0.195
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0.115
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0.540
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21
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Starke
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20
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n130
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15.8
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5
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5
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0.118
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0.148
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0.409
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22
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Starke
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20
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n130
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15.8
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5
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5
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0.1
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0.291
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0.826
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39
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Starke
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20
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R-7
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14.0
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5
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4
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0.579
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0.147
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1.515
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40
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Starke
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20
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R-7
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14.5
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4
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4
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0.134
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0.198
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0.770
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41
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Starke
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20
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R-7
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15.0
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5
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5
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0.13
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0.496
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1.340
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3884 fps
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42
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Starke
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20
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R-7
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15.4
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5
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4
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0.147
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0.126
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0.665
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43
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Starke
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20
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R-7
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15.4
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4
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4
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0.059
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0.077
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0.486
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48
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Starke
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20
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R-7
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15.4
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4
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3
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0.073
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0.094
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0.727
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40 F, Winds 15-25 Gusty
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49
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Starke
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20
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R-7
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15.4
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4
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4
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0.174
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0.158
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1.218
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40 F, Winds 15-25 Gusty
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50
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Starke
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20
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R-7
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15.4
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4
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4
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0.12
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0.327
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0.813
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40 F, Winds 15-25 Gusty
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51
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Starke
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20
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R-7
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15.4
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3
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3
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0.07
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0.427
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0.538
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4-Rd Group
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I then loaded some 19grain Calhoons using the n130 in the
same manner. The groups with this powder/bullet combination
were not as promising as I had hoped, so I discontinued further
development. One thing that I noticed was that the suggested
maximum velocity for these is 3800 fps, and I am sure that
I exceeded this velocity. I loaded some of the 22-grain Calhoons
with the n130 also. Although better than the 19-grain Calhoons,
this combination didnt suit my Hebee either. I would still
like to try some heavier Calhoons at a velocity around 3700
fps to see if I can find a combination that extracts their
potential. See Table 3.
Table 3. Calhoon
19-22-grain Bullet Loads
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GP
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BULLETS
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B-WT.
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POWDER
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P-WT.
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NO. IN GROUP
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CORRECTED SD
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DIA.
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REMARKS
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HORIZ.
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VERT.
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HORIZ.
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VERT.
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15
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Calhoon
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19
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n130
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13.8
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5
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5
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0.596
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1.453
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1.707
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16
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Calhoon
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19
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n130
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14.3
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4
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4
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0.085
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0.545
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1.349
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17
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Calhoon
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19
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n130
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14.7
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5
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4
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0.527
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0.208
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1.490
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18
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Calhoon
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19
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n130
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15.2
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5
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4
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0.488
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0.261
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1.786
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19
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Calhoon
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19
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n130
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15.2
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5
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5
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0.561
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0.471
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1.556
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19A
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Calhoon
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19
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n130
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15.2
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5
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5
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0.788
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0.946
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2.758
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35
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Calhoon
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22
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n130
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15.0
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5
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5
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0.356
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0.455
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1.076
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36
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Calhoon
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22
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n130
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15.4
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4
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4
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0.171
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0.724
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2.055
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37
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Calhoon
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22
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n130
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15.8
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5
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5
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0.375
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0.516
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1.500
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38
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Calhoon
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22
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n130
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15.8
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5
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5
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0.685
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0.211
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1.674
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Still using the n130, I loaded up some of the Hornady 20-grain
V-maxes. I got up to a maximum of 15.5 grains before I started
to see some primer cratering. At this charge, I recorded an
average velocity of 3844fps, a little lower than I got with
Reloder 7. I probably could have loaded these a little hotter,
and I intend to try some at 15.8 grains.
With 15.4 grains of Reloder 7, the V-maxes achieved an average
velocity of 3915 fps out of the 20" barrel. With the
Encore, I could feel some sticky extraction when opening the
breech with these loads. The primers looked cratered and flat,
but didnt leak or rupture. I reduced to 15.2 grains and didnt
experience any additional problems. I will have to keep an
eye on this load and possibly reduce further for warm weather
shooting as it was 40° F
when I shot the load at 15.2 grains, compared to 70°
F when I experienced the pressure signs with 15.4 grains.
Accuracy with this load was good, and I plan on doing some
follow-up work to evaluate further. I did have some impressive
groups with the v-maxes and Reloder 7. See Table 4. All measurements
are in inches; range was 100 yards.
Table 4. Hornady
V-Max Bullet Loads
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GP
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BULLETS
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B-WT.
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POWDER
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P-WT.
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NO. IN GROUP
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CORRECTED SD
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DIA.
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