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Posted by: Jody Henkle ® 11/29/2001, 21:08:57 Author Profile |
I purchased another 17 caliber rifle today. I'm about 17 poor. Anyway, it's a Cooper Model 38 repeater in a classic/sporter config. Very nice wood, and a SS barrel . It has been shot 50 times since 1991. All paper work, test target, 200-300 peices of brass, boxes and boxes of Hammet 22gr bullets, RCBS dyes, shell holder,powder funnel, cleaning rod and a bottle of AA1680. It also comes with the original Cooper hard case. It was a local gunsmith's personal gun, which he once made the mistake of telling me about. To make a long story short, he is in the process of building a new machine shop and I now have a second CCM. (Timming is everything!) It came with Warne bases and rings, and a Burris 4-12(scope is not my 1st choice). I take possesion tomorrow........ Can't wait! Could you guys give me a ball park figure as to what this may be worth? I'm know I spent too much, but WOW is it a good looking rifle. My original ccm is unfired, and I wanted one to shoot, it seemed like the perfect setup. Thanks jh. |
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Posted by: jim saubier 11/30/2001, 08:51:41 |
Sounds like a heck of a nice find. The brass alone is worth a fair amount. 22 grain bullets in the CCM, seems to me that it would better suited to <20 grain bullets. I have not idea what to guess for value on it, but it does sound like a terrific gun. The only thing that matters is that you had to have it and that you could spare the money at the time of purchase. |
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Posted by: Tim 11/30/2001, 11:24:32 |
I, seen Tom Thomas in the last 1-2 months with similar peices on his table for 1100-1200 unless it wasd higher grade wood. Cooper's normal woo is pretty good anyway. I have a very early .17 CCM about the same configuration and that's asbout what I paid. |
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Posted by: Tim 11/30/2001, 11:27:50 |
Also, Jim is right, these guns work great with 20 grainers. Try 9-9.3 grains of AA1680 for 3200-3250fps. |
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Posted by: Tim 11/30/2001, 11:28:07 |
Also, Jim is right, these guns work great with 20 grainers. Try 9-9.3 grains of AA1680 for 3200-3250fps. |
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Posted by: Jody Henkle ® 11/30/2001, 22:33:13 Author Profile |
Well, I've prepped 60 cases and have a couple questions. 1) Is a Win. Small pistol primer the same as Win 6 1/2 Small pistol primer??? 2) When you mentioned 20gr bullets being better, are you speaking of a particular 20gr bullet? I have lots of V-Maxes on hand, and wanted to try these. The reason I asked, is these cases are really hard to come by and fragile. I don't want to ruin any due to high pressure. Twenty gr bullets of different makers can develop different pressures... Can I go right to 9.0grs of AA1680 with the v-max? 3) Is moly good with this case? I shoot moly with all my other 17s. At this CCM slower speed, I don't know if it is really necessary. I think I'm going to skip the moly on the first 60, unless someone has info. 4) If someone could tell me how to post a image, would post a couple pics of 17s. 5) Do I dare take this with me when I call coyotes? Is it enough under 100yrds with a well placed shot? I know the v-max are not the bullet of choice for this, lack of penetration.... 6) Will a Harrel powder thrower, throw charges this small? Not the pistol model, it's the BR one..... I know this is a lot of questions, but I really appreciate any insight! jh |
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Posted by: jim saubier 12/01/2001, 10:46:44 |
I think that the 20 grain v-maxes will be the best suited bullet for the CCM for a couple of reasons. The polymer tip gives them a terrific BC for their small size. And the other reason is that they will open up at the lower velocities that hte CCM will operate at. As for your Harrell's, I have the same model and throw charges from it in my .17 Hornet and have good luck. The 1680 meters very well through the measure and I get a very consistent charge. My advice is to set up your measure and scale and throw a series of charges. Measure each one and keep track of the deviation. I will own the small pistol measure from Harrell's some day, just haven't got it yet. As for jumping right to the 9 grains, I can't comment but can guess that you will want to work up very carefully to spare the case life. |
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