Posted by: D. Epperson ®
11/30/2001, 21:43:22
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Scott
I made both my first form die and the seating die (which I also use for first forming now) from 7/8-14 grade 8 bolts. Actually the first one, that I now use as a "crimp" die, is probably closer to a grade 12 Socket head cap screw (bolt). I've only formed and loaded about 600 to 1000 rounds throgh them so far. But have seen no sign of wear. Of course I'm not doing anything real drastic either. The cartridge I work with is the 25ACP case, necking it down to 22 cal (reducing 0.278 to 0.250 neck OD). But I figure, at $5 to $10 for the bolts, I can make a bunch for what a "real" die would cost me.For those forming operations that require multiple stages, the first and interim could easily be done this way. Saving the last small step for the "precision" tool.
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Posted by: jim saubier
12/01/2001, 10:49:51
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Same here. I used pre-threaded stock for one die that I use and it works fine. I also have one from Bullberry that is the same design. Looks like he threads his on the lathe and then reams the holes and countersinks at 30 degrees. I have used these dies to form all of the .17's that I shoot and haven't found a problem with them yet. You do have to be careful to set up the die so you are only necking down the amount of the neck that you need to.
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Posted by: Scott Hamilton ®
12/01/2001, 16:11:02
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That is currently what I have done. I am looking into making a die that will hold different bushing to use to neck down cases. It would be like the bushing in benchrest dies only they would be used for necking down cases. You would have one die with several bushing to neck any case down for the wildcatters. Is there a market for this? I have CNC equipment that I need to use. Thanks Scott
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Posted by: D. Epperson ®
12/02/2001, 00:16:33
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I'd be interested in one. Possibly more if the price was right. I'd been looking in the same direction (without the access to CNC that you have). I had thought about a "die" bored to hold appropriate drill bushings (The fairly readily available McMaster Carr type).Speaking of Machining. You have any interest in machining a centerfire 10/22 bolt? If you can get the exterior lines duplicated, I can help with the firing pin bore and angles.
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Posted by: Scott Hamilton ®
12/03/2001, 17:42:52
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It will be awhile. Also I worry about the liability. Thanks Scott
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Posted by: Dan C ®
12/12/2001, 10:29:57
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Scott, Neil Jones Custom makes case forming bushing dies as you describe, has been for years. They work great, the bushing is larger than the typical Wilson-type, and incorporates the shoulder into the bushing. Make them, we can always use more suppliers! Jones gets about $200 for a die with a set of bushings, 3 or 4. Dan C
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Posted by: art in ohio ®
12/02/2001, 14:12:48
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I have a die I made for making javelina brass I have a step bushings with a 32deg taper shoulder on it to move the shoulder back. The die has no shoulder in it, has the shoulder on the neck bushing I use three bushings and a full length die ,it works great. Art
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Posted by: jim saubier
12/02/2001, 19:10:41
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Would you be interested in making me some Javelina brass? Drop me a line on my e-mail if you are interested and how much it might cost me.
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Posted by: art in ohio ®
12/03/2001, 20:23:38
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I would need a once fired brass from your chamber so I can get the head space right for your gun .I'll make 50 just for the price of the new brass.I have only used Winchester brass so far seems to be ok in my Bullberry 24" Encore,will shoot in the 3's if I do my part. Art
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Posted by: jim saubier
12/04/2001, 11:04:53
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How about if I can give you the reamer specs so that you can set them up to it. I may take you up on the offer for 50 and then make some of my own after I get shooting.
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Posted by: art in ohio ®
12/04/2001, 18:39:40
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That will work.You will have to trim the neck in my chamber is .060 too long . My phone no. 1-937-834-3776 or e-mail me
jansummers@hotmail.com Art.
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